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Old 05-17-2019, 05:38 PM   #127
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2SS adds about $4500, but interior is very subjective... I don't value a "high end" interior very much TBH. Most of it is smoke and mirrors and a $.10 difference in the way the plastic "feels", lol...

I did spend a couple hundred on leather trimmed knee pads on the door and center console though, the plain plastic there is ridiculous.
Interiors can make a huge difference in the driving experience.

When I was 20 I had a show car 500whp turbo civic, 6 additional gauges, custom interior, the whole 9.

While ridiculous now, it really made the car feel special when you were driving it. Interior adds a lot to the experience, especially with a sports car.

I believe the popular term is “sense of occassion”

Not saying the supra is better at all, just that it’s probably more important than you realize. Both the camaro 1le and the supra are not practical cars, they are cars you drive to have a good time.
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:30 PM   #128
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I think you all are forgetting one thing. The new Supra only traps 113 mph in the 1/4 mile. Its likely underrated but probably by only 25-30 hp. It's times are fast because it puts the power down well, and probably has superior launching software, and is much lighter than the Camaro SS and GT. It matches the GT* 0-60 but it is 0.2 sec slower and 7 mph behind at the 1/4 mile (GT*=12.1@120 mph). Also, the A10 SS is 12.2 @ 118 mph in the 1/4. Both cars, from a roll, will walk away from the new Supra.

My opinion is that the Supra looks ugly. I nearly, but not quite, hate the looks. From every angle. Maybe it'll look better in person.

I most definitely don't have Supra envy and won't be buying one. That said, I'm sure it will drive very well and am glad the Supra is back.
Fair Enough I get what your saying.

In regards to the 1/4 mile and instrumented tests are concerned to compare the 16+ Camaro SS Auto and 18+ Mustang GT Auto it's a bit early for that I would say not enough testing done on the A90 Supra yet.

However the fact that the early tests are looking better than expected ..... 12.3 at 113 is right around what early tests on my SS 8pd auto were ending up so not far off.

Once I got a hold of my SS 8spd auto I was able to trap 117 running a 12.0 bone stock and honestly I think I'll end up really close to that with the A90 Supra ... before the modding begins anyway lol.

Also one thing to remember is that the A90 stock is tuned for a very broad torque curve hp is pretty much capped up top ... I blame this for some of the higher speed performance findings and also this car has more down force than people realize from the factory which contributes to it's Great handling (1.07 G !!!) but hurts some regarding higher speeds.

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Old 05-18-2019, 09:35 PM   #129
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So I just took my e30 out for the first time this year

Consider me out of the “automatics aren’t that bad” crew

Forgot how awesome manuals are, **** your automatics
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Old 05-18-2019, 10:00 PM   #130
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:08 PM   #131
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C&D Dyno Test:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/

https://jalopnik.com/dyno-test-revea...ore-1834928175
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:11 PM   #132
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339hp / 427lb-ft at the wheels!

I thought it might be even more, but the engine is probably making that much hp/tq across a range of rpms and not just at one point.... edit: graph is kinda shown in the vid, it is making peak hp from somewhere in the middle of the rev range until redline.
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Old 05-21-2019, 04:26 PM   #133
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339hp / 427lb-ft at the wheels!

I thought it might be even more, but the engine is probably making that much hp/tq across a range of rpms and not just at one point.... edit: graph is kinda shown in the vid, it is making peak hp from somewhere in the middle of the rev range until redline.
Right inline with what I was hoping to see (and as I expected the power curve looks capped and its not because of the stock turbo) ... except the torque numbers whoa mama.

The torque numbers might be just a bit inflated but still very high as they stated the torque converter wouldn't lock until high rpm ... but that also means easy power increase just getting the converter to lock sooner in the rev range .

I know some people still won't admit it but its getting harder to ignore this car impressing more and more each day it seems.

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Old 05-21-2019, 09:02 PM   #134
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I wish they'd show the torque/power curves. I can't imagine this is making 485 ft-lbs at the crank. I'm guessing it is an outlier and is actually a random false peak/spike that should have been eliminated. 120 ft-lbs more torque than rated? Nah. I believe the 339 rwhp (~385 crank hp), just based on the 113 mph trap speed in the 1/4 mile and the weight.
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Old 05-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #135
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I believe there was a foot note in there somewhere that said the torque number got inflated because the torque converter wasn't locked up
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Lets keep it simple. ..
it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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