[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I agree, but have to read the tea leaves. Of the announced products, there is no platform for Camaro to share with coming up in the future. If the camaro was to continue on it's own platform would need to have much more mass appeal than it does now.

VSS-R platform is rumored

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...vy-trailblazer

and

GM VSS-R Vehicle Set Platform

VSS-R, or Vehicle Strategy Set – Rear, is the name of an upcoming automotive architecture that will underpin next-generation, rear-wheel-drive and rear-wheel-drive-based all-wheel-drive cars from General Motors.

Vehicle Applications
VSS-R will underpin future rear-drive or rear-drive-based all-wheel-drive cars with a longitudinal powertrain orientation.

Here are the vehicles we expect VSS-R to underpin:

Future Chevrolet cars:

Future Chevrolet Camaro (seventh generation)
Potential future Chevrolet SS sedan successor
Future Cadillac cars:

Future Cadillac CT3 or CT4 (second generation of the successor to the first generation CT3/CT4, itself a successor to Cadillac ATS)
Future Cadillac CT5 (second generation of the successor to the first generation CT5, itself a successor to Cadillac ATS/CTS)
Future Cadillac CT6 (second or third generation of the successor to the first generation CT6)
Future Cadillac Escala (second generation model)
Platform Replacement
GM VSS-R will succeed longitudinal-engined, rear-drive and rear-drive-based all-wheel-drive car platforms, including:



https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-p...cle-set/vss-r/

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

VSS-R platform is rumored

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...vy-trailblazer

and

That was the one I was forgetting. Have to wonder how the shift to EV may effect that though

[Mountain]

Maybe we need to start an "E/28" thread?

[Bhobbs]

No.

We don’t need to drag the Z/28 badge anymore. If you can’t build a Z/28 like the 5th gen, then leave the name be.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by CHerna

That's a common misconception. The grid is realistically scalable to handle EV adoption. Engineering Explained covers this well in this video.

https://youtu.be/7dfyG6FXsUU

These are screenshots from a utility that one of the guys that works for me produces. This is an interactive map that shows all the DC Fast Chargers available in the US and Canada today. Each color dot is a different network provider. We’ve identified 25 networks so far. This is the 4Q2020 view. We actually project out to 2025. The middle part gets a lot more filled in by 2025, but I can’t show you that. We charge clients for that and they’d be pi$$3d if I showed it to you guys for free. Notice that for existing chargers we can pin it down to street address. Actually, we can pin it down to map coordinates.

Keep in mind that as long as they have access to 220V in their home, most BEV owners will only need access to a DC Fast Charger when traveling outside their vehicle’s range (typically 300+ miles) in a single day.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by hotlap

VSS-R platform is rumored

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...vy-trailblazer

and

VSS-R was a casualty of the pivot to Ultium. Nothing left to see here. Keep in mind that this article was from 2019, when GM was still on the VSS-F / VSS-R strategy. That was before the pivot to 100% BEV. VSS-R will never launch. The auto analyst quoted in the article, Stephanie Brinley, is a co-worker of mine. If you asked her today about prospects for VSS-R, she’d say the same thing. Not gonna happen.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That was the one I was forgetting. Have to wonder how the shift to EV may effect that though

This article asked the same question last March.

GM Hints at an Electric Chevrolet Camaro

.....
The reports from last June that GM had canceled development of the seventh-generation Camaro gave way to an update from GM Authority who quoted another unnamed official saying the new model had only been postponed. To what end? An electric re-introduction is one possibility, but so is one last gas-burning hurrah riding on GM's new VSS-R rear-wheel-drive architecture that's planned to debut in production vehicles in 2025.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/32480/...evrolet-camaro

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

VSS-R was a casualty of the pivot to Ultium. Nothing left to see here.

I didn't know that but is consistent with the direction things are going at GM.

I found the June article that touches on what you say here but really isn't clear on the matter

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/06...ive-exclusive/

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

These are screenshots from a utility that one of the guys that works for me produces. This is an interactive map that shows all the DC Fast Chargers available in the US and Canada today. Each color dot is a different network provider. We’ve identified 25 networks so far. This is the 4Q2020 view. We actually project out to 2025. The middle part gets a lot more filled in by 2025, but I can’t show you that. We charge clients for that and they’d be pi$$3d if I showed it to you guys for free. Notice that for existing chargers we can pin it down to street address. Actually, we can pin it down to map coordinates.

Keep in mind that as long as they have access to 220V in their home, most BEV owners will only need access to a DC Fast Charger when traveling outside their vehicle’s range (typically 300+ miles) in a single day.

I hope we reconsider the role of ev to some degree until we have a better solution for batteries. We're manufacturing a lot of li-ion batteries and electric motors, installing massive numbers of these charging stations along with grid capacity to run them. All of that could be obsolete when battery tech makes a quantum leap, and it will. Alternate plans like the Al battery intended to be distributed like propane tanks are one example.

Right now electric makes sense for shorter ranges and smaller cars. You can have much smaller motors and batteries vs cars like Teslas. Trucks and large vehicles are questionable right now from an environmental perspective, imo plug-in hybrids with shorter all-electric ranges make more sense. Putting literally a ton of li-ion batteries along with massive motors makes no sense at all except for a toy, which is what Teslas are. They are toys just as much as our cars. Nothing wrong with that but let's call a spade a spade. So many folks around here buy Teslas so they don't have to feel as guilty as they would buying a high end German car.

Also, if Porsche's ideas about carbon neutral liquid fuel can be realized then those hybrids I mentioned could be run carbon neutral without the need for so much battery.

And an unpopular opinion, but gas is too cheap for what it is in the US. There really should be more economic pressure for everyone to use a little less or find alternatives. Seems like the earth is becoming a less pleasant place to be, hopefully that will help a little bit. I just ordered an air cleaner because now we have forest fires and smoke as a seasonal occurrence.

And to be more on-topic I really want to order a Z06 Vette. The Vette makes not having the Z/28 Camaro ok... just wish it had a manual!

[Martinjlm]

From a consumer’s standpoint, plug-in hybrids make a lot of sense (we have one). You can drive electric for a lot of the use cycle and you have a built in backup plan when you run out of electricity.

From a manufacturer’s standpoint, plug-in hybrids make the least amount of sense. You have to engineer two complete powertrains. A lot of expense and mass involved there. When you compare a PHEV to a BEV, you have to account for the cost and mass of the engine, transmission, exhaust system, air intake, and fuel injection system. None of that on the BEV. There is also no expense in development of emissions testing. For the BEV you have to account for the cost and mass of the battery, drive unit, power electronics, charging system. All of those systems are also on the PHEV, though the battery is smaller.

[waterman]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

No.

We don’t need to drag the Z/28 badge anymore. If you can’t build a Z/28 like the 5th gen, then leave the name be.

^This^

And....don't forget to park your EV outside.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by waterman

^This^

And....don't forget to park your EV outside.

You apparently don’t recall when Fords used to self combust. It’s not just an EV thing.

https://www.autosafety.org/ford-ignition-switch-fires/

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by waterman

^This^

And....don't forget to park your EV outside.

Originally Posted by Number 3

You apparently don’t recall when Fords used to self combust. It’s not just an EV thing.

https://www.autosafety.org/ford-ignition-switch-fires/

Actually, you don’t have to go that far back. This was two months ago. And it involved 3,000 known incidents, not the whopping 2 incidents of Bolt catching fire.

https://pittsburgh.legalexaminer.com...-engine-fires/

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Actually, you don’t have to go that far back. This was two months ago. And it involved 3,000 known incidents, not the whopping 2 incidents of Bolt catching fire.

https://pittsburgh.legalexaminer.com...-engine-fires/

I think the Hyundai fires were while driving. The Ford ignition switch happened with the car parked and not running and in some cases in the garage.

But yes, you are correct, this happens much more often that just EVs.