[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

If people are shopping both cars, price for the most will be the deciding factor. Most just see hp is close, so feel the Mustang is better because it's cheaper. Most don't know all the extras the Camaro has over the Mustang, thus can't justify the increase. Few know the Camaro comes with Brembos, high performance tires, lighter, much more torque, Tremec tranny, drive modes, bigger info screen, rev match, NPP option, and Magride option. Heck the Mustang doesn't even have struts for the hood. All these add up, but many dont see these. That is what I was getting at.

The majority of the people buying these cars don't give a crap about what you've listed.

V8? Check
2 doors? Check
Sporty handling? Check
Sporty looks? Check

That's really the most that people 80% will look at. If you were to go on about brembo brakes, what amount of torque hits when, the Tremec, 75 -100 lbs weight difference...it'll just glaze their eyes over.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The majority of the people buying these cars don't give a crap about what you've listed.

V8? Check
2 doors? Check
Sporty handling? Check
Sporty looks? Check

That's really the most that people 80% will look at. If you were to go on about brembo brakes, what amount of torque hits when, the Tremec, 75 -100 lbs weight difference...it'll just glaze their eyes over.

I believe that is what I just said.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The majority of the people buying these cars don't give a crap about what you've listed.

V8? Check
2 doors? Check
Sporty handling? Check
Sporty looks? Check

That's really the most that people 80% will look at. If you were to go on about brembo brakes, what amount of torque hits when, the Tremec, 75 -100 lbs weight difference...it'll just glaze their eyes over.

As a spokesman for the majority of people, can you define how little they give a crap?

Would they prefer the 5.3L, 355 HP truck engine with a passenger car transmission and solid rear axle if it can be priced for $28k? Forget HUD, NPP exhaust, magride, etc.? Basically, slightly more than a 2008 Mustang GT.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

If people are shopping both cars, price for the most will be the deciding factor. Most just see hp is close, so feel the Mustang is better because it's cheaper. Most don't know all the extras the Camaro has over the Mustang, thus can't justify the increase. Few know the Camaro comes with Brembos, high performance tires, lighter, much more torque, Tremec tranny, drive modes, bigger info screen, rev match, NPP option, and Magride option. Heck the Mustang doesn't even have struts for the hood. All these add up, but many dont see these. That is what I was getting at.

Got it. I was simply stating for any product the baseline has to meet the customers expectations. Some folks like to think that because the Camaro is the better performance car that the Mustang isn't satisfying. It clearly is and the lower price then makes a big difference as you point out. I think we're on the same page.

[activepat]

Having owned a 2015 GT premium it should be noted that you need to add the 401 option and the performance option to equal a 2SS with no options.

This brings the car up to $300 more than the 2SS. Try comparing apples to apples if the price is your argument.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by activepat

Having owned a 2015 GT premium it should be noted that you need to add the 401 option and the performance option to equal a 2SS with no options.

This brings the car up to $300 more than the 2SS. Try comparing apples to apples if the price is your argument.

What if you don't want that stuff? How do you remove that stuff to bring the price down on the 2SS to be on par with the Mustang?

[activepat]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

What if you don't want that stuff? How do you remove that stuff to bring the price down on the 2SS to be on par with the Mustang?

If I wanted to be on par with a Mustang I would never bought an SS.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by activepat

If I wanted to be on par with a Mustang I would never bought an SS.

That response doesn't make sense at all, it sidesteps the discussion completely. Sometimes people don't want to pay for features that they don't have any interest in. If the camaro had a standard party balloon inflator standard, but bumped up the cost another $500, you would be happy about it because the Mustang didn't offer the feature??

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

That response doesn't make sense at all, it sidesteps the discussion completely. Sometimes people don't want to pay for features that they don't have any interest in. If the camaro had a standard party balloon inflator standard, but bumped up the cost another $500, you would be happy about it because the Mustang didn't offer the feature??

This is where I believe Ford did it right. If you don't want the options, buy the base, then let the choice of options be up to the buyer. The Camaro doesn't do that. For me it's not a issue as I would take all options, but most don't need or want them.

[Racerman27410]

GM does offer options

1SS and 2SS There is a substantial difference in price


I test drove the mustang before buying both with and without the performance pack... i didnt like having to wring the engines neck for the power and think they wasted some of their suspension money in the wrong places... like the running pony puddle lights.

At least with the Camaro you get a solid chassis and drivetrain on both 1ss and 2ss with performance equal all one has to decide is whether all the bells and whistles of the 2ss upfit are necessary... or not.

[camaroalltheway]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

This is where I believe Ford did it right. If you don't want the options, buy the base, then let the choice of options be up to the buyer. The Camaro doesn't do that. For me it's not a issue as I would take all options, but most don't need or want them.

Absolutely agree. I have a confession to make. The only reason I bought the Camaro SS over the Mustang GT is mag ride (F55) option. I believe it to be that good.

[Jackass]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Ouch, thats quite a drop for all 3.

Well , about half the country is under ice , real winter moved in and things tend to slowdown , bring the global ( warming ) crap and the sales will go up again
But for GM , it may be a little different story , GM in general tends to fight way harder than the other two when it comes to take responsability for their own mistakes , i.e. , fighting all the way to the end when their cars come up with problems
Thy have accused just about anyone who gets involved on some vehicle accident caused by any malfunction on their cars , saying that the driver was /is at fault , even after the isue has been proved otherwise
At some point the chickens will come home to roost , right !
Fix your shit , improve your design , take responsibility when shit happen
Then the people will stick around and support you GM
I for one , I've said it before and will say it again , I'm done !

[activepat]

Yeah, I would. Always wanted one in my car!

BTW I chose a 1SS with only the exhaust option. I thought the extras on the 2SS were nothing I cared about and these cars are just my Sunday diversions.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

That response doesn't make sense at all, it sidesteps the discussion completely. Sometimes people don't want to pay for features that they don't have any interest in. If the camaro had a standard party balloon inflator standard, but bumped up the cost another $500, you would be happy about it because the Mustang didn't offer the feature??