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06-30-2020, 07:50 PM | #156 | |
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I strongly stand by my opinion that there are very, very few "car guys" in a position of authority at GM. They're pumping out toasters faster than Toyota did 10 years ago. Yes, they have a few bright spots, but a lot of duds |
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06-30-2020, 08:14 PM | #157 | |
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07-01-2020, 08:27 AM | #158 | |
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Also, the 6th gen Camaros (like the SS, SSLE, ZL1, ZLE, etc) are NOT toasters. They are the best performing vehicles in their class, better than most in classes way above, and the best performance per dollar in any class. The only way Chevy could have ruined these cars would be to make them "Special". All that entails is adding some dude's name in the car, a "special" badge, and and extra $10k to MSRP and another $5k=$10k for AMDs. In fact, I find it hilarious that Ford guys spend 10's of thousands of dollars extra for a Sheby name, when Carroll Shelby went to Chevy first because he loved Chevy and Corvettes. It wasn't until GM turned him away that he went to Ford. You want me to pay extra to put a guy's name on my car that thought that car company was second best? GTFOoH!!! Let's face it, the S550 has had significant shortcomings. The Mach 1 seems to be the first Coyote powered S550 that doesn't have significant shortcomings (so far as we know). The Tremec updgrade is long overdue, the coolers are long overdue (they don't have to be standard, but they should be available somehow), and let's hope they settled down the suspension, because the PP1 sucked, and the PP2 was better but still not great. Why can't I get these things on a plain GT? I would even pay a bit extra for them as an option or option package. But, I don't want to have to pay for a name to get to this level of performance. To me, this should be the regular GT with a PP or TP option. |
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07-01-2020, 08:58 AM | #159 | |
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If the Mach 1 ends up being 55k+ with the handling pack, why even bother over a lightly used GT350 or ZL1?
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I agree with most of what you said. I am fine with giving them names, but make them option packages that can be added on and not their own models. I think Ford's strategy is the right idea but the execution was flawed. If people want more performance let them option it in is a great strategy. The flaw was the packages werent 100% sorted out/what they should be. Camaro was the opposite. The SS is over-engineered for how the majority of drivers will push the car. Great for the enthusiast who will push it to the limit, not so much for the guy who just wanted the V-8 hence why there is now a LT1 model without the SS equipment Quote:
I'd be willing to bet if there was a Z/28 in the 55K range though people would be all over it even if it was say a 1LE with LT2 |
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07-01-2020, 11:07 AM | #161 | |
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I'm not knocking anyone who paid $10k-$20k for that car, it's their money, they can spend it how they like, but I would never do that. I just don't care that much about some old dude from back in the day, no matter how cool he was (like Carroll Shelby or Steve McQueen). Quote:
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Now compare that to any version of the Camaro, and it is a big difference. The Camaro has the most instant turn-in and direct steering I have felt, right up there with the best of the M cars. Some folks won't notice if they live in a flat place with no turns (like Florida or many places in the midwest). And some folks just don't care about turns. And if this is you, no worries, everyone has different criteria for the car they want. And I certainly hope you enjoy your Mustang as much as I enjoy my Camaro. But to say that the PP1 handles not too differently from the Camaro, is not objectively true. You may not care, or you may not notice, and that can be true, but the Maxima I drove had less handling issues than the PP1 in many ways, and that was a direct back to back comparison on the same roads. If I were you, I would look into some of the aftermarket sway bars out there. I would definitely stiffen up the rear quite a bit. Only issue is that the Magnaride was not tuned for this, so you may want to look into a re-tune for that too. I'm not sure how much you can change the stiffness of the swaybar without having to re-tune the Magneride. But a stiffer rear would fix most of the issue I suspect. |
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07-01-2020, 01:41 PM | #164 | |
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Hell, even the word "handling" itself is just thrown out there. To me, handling is a generic term. There is so much detail that goes into "handling" like understeer-oversteer balance, shock damping/curves, G limits, alignment settings, etc. It escapes most people and the average pony/sports car owner. The other thing at play is what people have been exposed to and what the expectations are. As I have gone thru cars and gotten older, my knowledge and expectations of what a sports car should do well goes up and I understand more of the details behind what makes up those expectations. And herein-lies the issue at heart, the Pony/sports car is marketed for the masses, not the enthusiastic. You really have to move up to Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. to get away from that. So, the euthusiatic will always be in the minority in these discussions.
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One of the best sayings I have heard about the 6th Gen Camaro was from a friend from the BMW club I am in. He said "the 6th Gen Camaro is the best M car they ever built". And I believe him... |
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07-01-2020, 10:32 PM | #168 | |
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I will say though, that for sales reasons GM could stand to spice things up here and there like Ford and Dodge do. While special edition cars don't anything for me, red line edition gimmicks do even less lol.
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