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Old 07-19-2018, 05:58 AM   #113
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It isn’t happening.

When making a new variation of a model, GM usually conducts two full years worth of testing on the road and on track before putting it into production. Two summers, two winters, and many months of reliability and durability testing are required to ensure that they’re putting out a production-quality car.

The last generation Camaro ended two years after its mid-cycle refresh. If this generation ends two years after its refresh, the 7th gen Camaro would debut as a 2021 model alongside the S650 Mustang. This scenario would leave no time for a Z/28 to be on the market if real-world testing began right now. However, the Camaro has been a year behind the Mustang since 2014, and GM may want to keep that pace in order to take their time and make the 7th gen Camaro as good as possible. In that case, the Z/28 would have just one year to sell before the 7th generation Camaro debuts as a 2022 model alongside the next-gen Dodge Challenger.

GM is a business that makes business-minded decisions, and making a new car only to sell it for a year is not good for business. If I were in GM’s shoes, I’d either introduce the 7th generation Camaro as a 2021 model (and eliminate the Mustang’s 1-year sales advantage) or introduce it as a 2022 model and use the extra time to prepare the 7th-gen ZL1 for the 2022 model year.

At this point, the Camaro team is likely dead-set on the 7th generation lineup. The time and resources needed to make a Z/28 with an LT5 or 376/535 would be better spent on getting the entire lineup right.
Recall that when the ZL1 was testing at the Nurburgring that there were two cars there. Then pictures of this were leaked.

The Z/28 may never happen in gen6 but it’s also possible that they already been testing it in plain view.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:02 AM   #114
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people have to keep in mind that the Z28 package is generally a final model year production car for the most part.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:22 AM   #115
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Tying into the naming thing, it could have worked better if:
-The '17 ZL1 was called Iroc-Z (this nose has the large lower opening, chin-forward look already)
-That Z/28 came out in '18 with LT1
-Save the ZL1 name for a last year LT5 top-off car.

This is clearly also close to the Vette's release pattern.

People I know seem to drop the 1LE when talking about the ZL1 1LE. I get the idea of using 1LE. But it might be less ambiguous to keep it away from the halo cars.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:41 AM   #116
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people have to keep in mind that the Z28 package is generally a final model year production car for the most part.
The Z/28 wasn’t a final model year car for the 1st, 2nd or 5th.
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Old 07-20-2018, 08:44 PM   #117
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The Z/28 wasn’t a final model year car for the 1st, 2nd or 5th.
It wasnt for the 3rd or 4th gens either. So you can essentially say its never been a final model year option only.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:22 PM   #118
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SS 1LE would've been special if the production numbers weren't so high, and if this wasn't the era of "I MUST HAVE ALL THE HORSEPOWERS!!"
Not sure what the numbers are for 2018, but in 2017, there were half as many 1LE's made as there were gt350's.

Iirc there were 1512 SS 1Le made in 2017. Compared to 5500+ regular gt350 in 2016 and then 6400+ in 2017....
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:11 AM   #119
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The arguement that a Z28 can't be anything but NA holds no water if you think about it. The original ZL1 was NA, yet here we are with supercharged ZL1s. Like someone mentioned, just because Al and the team gives the reason of it has always been this or that, doesn't mean things will not change at some point. Even though the 1LE has always been a manual, Al himself told us at Camarofest last year that he would never say an A10 ZL1 1LE would be out of the question if there was enough interest in one. Anything is possible. I know I would buy a Z28 if it came loaded like a ZL1, with the A10, and the LT5 under the hood. Especially if they still managed to reduce weight a little somehow. They could go to manual seat adjustments on the Recaros, but I'd want to keep the heated and cooled part. They could likely lose some weight in the exhaust. Probably wouldn't lose any weight, but I'd like to have the same wheel and tire size from the ZLE, maybe just a unique wheel design to help set it apart, along with other design changes.
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Old 07-27-2018, 05:58 PM   #120
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The original ZL1 was a racing engine, so that argument holds no water.

The ZL1 is called ZL1 because they didn’t know what else to call the 5th gen car. The 69 COPOs with the ZL-1 427 existed because people knew how to work the GM ordering system.

The Z/28 was always a production car. GM planned for that car to exist.

You don’t want a Z/28. You want an LT5 ZL1, which I understand. I think the ZL1 should have had the LT5 the whole time.
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:54 PM   #121
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Even though the 1LE has always been a manual, Al himself told us at Camarofest last year that he would never say an A10 ZL1 1LE would be out of the question if there was enough interest in one
This is not true. The original 1LE's where available in both automatic and manual
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:14 PM   #122
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The original ZL1 was a racing engine, so that argument holds no water.

The ZL1 is called ZL1 because they didn’t know what else to call the 5th gen car. The 69 COPOs with the ZL-1 427 existed because people knew how to work the GM ordering system.

The Z/28 was always a production car. GM planned for that car to exist.

You don’t want a Z/28. You want an LT5 ZL1, which I understand. I think the ZL1 should have had the LT5 the whole time.
I knew where the ZL1 name came from and my argument is still sound. The original ZL1 engine was NA.

Yeah, I really don't care what they call the car as long as it has the LT5 and most of the same creature comforts of the current ZL1. The Z28s prior to the 5th gen had the option to add power windows, leather, etc., so you could have a stripped down car up to a fully loaded one if you wanted. I think they should do that again. The 5th gen Z28 probably would've sold much better if people could've optioned them up. Of course the high price tag didn't do that car any favors either though.

I agree. The ZL1 should've had the LT5 from the start or at least a similar setup with a larger supercharger than the LT4.
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This is not true. The original 1LE's where available in both automatic and manual
I remember reading about that somewhere. I don't know the whole history of the 1LE, but Al and his team said the current 1LE was only available in a manual because historically, it has always been a manual. I may not have worded that exactly right, but that's how they came across when answering the question as to why they aren't offering the A10 in the 1LE.
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Old 07-29-2018, 05:17 PM   #123
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The original ZL1 was a racing engine, so that argument holds no water.

The ZL1 is called ZL1 because they didn’t know what else to call the 5th gen car. The 69 COPOs with the ZL-1 427 existed because people knew how to work the GM ordering system.

The Z/28 was always a production car. GM planned for that car to exist.

You don’t want a Z/28. You want an LT5 ZL1, which I understand. I think the ZL1 should have had the LT5 the whole time.
That might be possible, except the 6th gen ZL1 was out before they completed development of the LT5...
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:21 AM   #124
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I knew where the ZL1 name came from and my argument is still sound. The original ZL1 engine was NA.

Yeah, I really don't care what they call the car as long as it has the LT5 and most of the same creature comforts of the current ZL1. The Z28s prior to the 5th gen had the option to add power windows, leather, etc., so you could have a stripped down car up to a fully loaded one if you wanted. I think they should do that again. The 5th gen Z28 probably would've sold much better if people could've optioned them up. Of course the high price tag didn't do that car any favors either though.

I agree. The ZL1 should've had the LT5 from the start or at least a similar setup with a larger supercharger than the LT4.


I remember reading about that somewhere. I don't know the whole history of the 1LE, but Al and his team said the current 1LE was only available in a manual because historically, it has always been a manual. I may not have worded that exactly right, but that's how they came across when answering the question as to why they aren't offering the A10 in the 1LE.
Yeah, the engine was N/A but so what? It's not like the ZL1 badge was chosen for its long history. It has very little history, outside of the COPO Camaro and Corvette from 1969.

The Z28s prior to the 5th gen car have nothing to do with the original Z/28s. If GM made the 7th gen Camaro a FWD sedan, no one would say later generations should also be FWD sedans because of the 7th gen.

The 5th gen Z/28 was never going to sell well, because people don't want stiff riding cars. They want cushy rides, which is why mag ride is so popular.
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Old 07-30-2018, 07:06 AM   #125
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"The 5th gen Z/28 was never going to sell well, because people don't want stiff riding cars. They want cushy rides, which is why mag ride is so popular."[/QUOTE]

You are making a lot of assumptions with that statement. The Z/28 for me is purpose built and though I only drive on the street it is not the only reason I bought it. Many people buy cars either based on need or want. Not everyone needs a Z/28 but, some wish they had one for whatever their reason. I wanted a Camaro that is unique and somewhat exclusive. That and I am a power hungry muscle car guy from the 60's. This car pushes all the right buttons for me and is a keeper. I have no desire to upgrade to anything else.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:01 AM   #126
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Yeah, the engine was N/A but so what? It's not like the ZL1 badge was chosen for its long history. It has very little history, outside of the COPO Camaro and Corvette from 1969.

The Z28s prior to the 5th gen car have nothing to do with the original Z/28s. If GM made the 7th gen Camaro a FWD sedan, no one would say later generations should also be FWD sedans because of the 7th gen.

The 5th gen Z/28 was never going to sell well, because people don't want stiff riding cars. They want cushy rides, which is why mag ride is so popular.
The 5th gen Z28 didn't sell well because it was much to expensive and was built for road course purpose which doesn't attract the masses . If the car stuck to its roots of all the early Z28's which was a car that handled well (wasn't a cushy ride) can be enjoyed on the street, drag strip and everything else 99 % of us use a car for and affordable it would have sold very well.
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