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Old 11-14-2020, 08:07 PM   #15
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I think the 2650 is the sweet spot for torque and efficiency. No doubt the 3100 will make some crazy power. I would guess it would have to be a little lazier to take off
Agree to disagree, although it is accepted that this will outshine the 2650 with the tiniest of pulleys, I feel this 3100 maggy blower will work wonderfully in the low teens (13-15lbs). Providing tons of instant thrust and keeping things nice and cool simultaneously, just gotta feed it tons of e85 and keep it's thirst quenched

Icing on the cake is the power ceiling, 1500hp+??
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Old 11-14-2020, 10:39 PM   #16
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I think its going make a lot of people sad. If you know what I mean.
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Old 11-15-2020, 08:44 AM   #17
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Why would it make people sad?
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Old 11-15-2020, 10:39 AM   #18
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I think its going make a lot of people sad. If you know what I mean.
I guess if 1300rwhp makes people sad
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Old 11-15-2020, 12:07 PM   #19
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I was a little sarcastic maybe.
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Old 12-10-2020, 11:00 PM   #20
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Just stumbled on this, re: Eaton 3100 info
https://www.nmcadigital.com/2020/11/...t-applications
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Old 12-11-2020, 07:41 AM   #21
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That is a great article.
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Old 12-11-2020, 12:45 PM   #22
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That is awesome Magnuson can keep the physical size the same as the 2650.
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Old 12-11-2020, 12:52 PM   #23
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That is awesome Magnuson can keep the physical size the same as the 2650.
Apparently, one only has to replace the lid, cooler outlets, and gaskets (obviously, the rotors come in a new housing). So it seems like the intercoolers/tubs are just transferred over (at least that's what Magnuson told me). That was a great modular design (the 2650 kit). Now I have to see if it's justifiable for my situation, ha...
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Old 12-11-2020, 04:44 PM   #24
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That's why it fit under the C7 hood again and allows the lid, intercoolers to fit both the 2650 and 3100. The tubs that hold the intercooler bricks just bolt on so its interchangeable between the two on the Magnuson. Don't know about the other manufactures.
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Old 12-01-2021, 02:46 PM   #25
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That's why it fit under the C7 hood again and allows the lid, intercoolers to fit both the 2650 and 3100. The tubs that hold the intercooler bricks just bolt on so its interchangeable between the two on the Magnuson. Don't know about the other manufactures.
Any news on this? they said early 2021 but imagine covid threw a wrench in that...
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Old 12-01-2021, 03:30 PM   #26
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Any news on this? they said early 2021 but imagine covid threw a wrench in that...
3100 was cancelled for the camaro, they said it "doesn't provide any improvement over the 2650". I beg to differ, they are just not going to offer it because the demand is not high enough for them to invest in the camaro. Looks like the 3.0 whipple will be the last new blower kit to be offered on the camaro, if it ever even gets released...
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:18 PM   #27
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Did you get that statement from Magnuson? I know VMP cancelled development, too, saying the same thing (Magnuson builds their 2650s, too). 2650 has been proven to make more than 1100-WHP by trusted shops (no dyno tricks). It looks like LMP is a shop that's made 1200-WHP (on a hub dyno) with an Edelbrock, so we know this rotor set makes good power. Perhaps a little more than the old 2.9, so it's a certainty Whipple's got at least the 2650 in it's sights. They have bigger sizes, too, so it's not like they're limited to 3-liter displacement. I've also read you can't really directly compare twin screws and these hybrid-roots in terms of displacement. I don't know the theory behind that, and maybe it doesn't matter in this context.

There' s probably a point of diminishing returns because it's going to take more power to turn those bigger rotors (I think GM said it take something like 120-HP to drive LT5's 2650 rotors, for example), which will put a bigger load on the crank and such. GM upgraded the crank metal and bearings for LT5, so it's probably fair to assume 3100 would take more in a similar OEM engine. It seems unless you're spinning that thing hard, you're not going to find gains, and it'll be softer in the lower RPMs, like is seen with 2650s vs 1740s. It seems like it's just beating on the engine unless you spin it hard, and maybe the market is seeing it that way, too. I wouldn't know though. Just repeating some reading I've done and trying to understand how all that comes together.

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Old 12-02-2021, 08:59 AM   #28
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The problem I see(and likely why the 3100 was canceled) is that the rotor pack ideally needs to be in a bigger case and that will cause clearance issues. The biggest hurdle on PD stuff with GM vehicles is hood clearance and why the 2650 and 2.9 have shorter upper manifolds. Look at the ZR1 and how GM made a custom hood for the much larger case of the LT5. The GM 2650 is actually bigger then the Maggie 2650r. Then also take look at the Hellcat stuff...

This is likely another reason why the Whipple 3.8 isn't going to make it to the GEN 5 platform.
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