[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Be sure to let us know when they are done screwing around. The worlds slowest, most drawn out release has gotten old.

Agreed they really are just dragging this out. If your going to drag something out, do it cool like Dodge did for the demon or just put out the damn specs.

Also looks like they will release the numbers tomorrow. They just tweeted out the "most power dense supercharged V-8 in the world" So by that I would guess they are going by HP per liter or something along those lines.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Agreed they really are just dragging this out. If your going to drag something out, do it cool like Dodge did for the demon or just put out the damn specs.

Also looks like they will release the numbers tomorrow. They just tweeted out the "most power dense supercharged V-8 in the world" So by that I would guess they are going by HP per liter or something along those lines.

Eww - more Honda math...no one cares, just give us the numbers and spec.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Eww - more Honda math...no one cares, just give us the numbers and spec.

agree. They really screwed the pooch on the roll out/marketing of this car IMO

[BlaqWhole]

That doesn't even mean anything. LOL!

The Demon at 840 HP and 6.2 liters is 136 HP per liter rounded up. So at 140 HP per liter the GT500 would be 728 HP. Is that supposed to wow anyone?

Ok so let's use cubic inches instead. The Demon is 2.24 HP per cubic inch. If the GT500 had 2.3 HP per cubic inch then it would be 731 HP rounded up.

I used the Demon with the race ECU/tune because otherwise Ford's statements would be false. Plus at 840 HP and only 6.2 liters it is the most HP dense supercharged V8 that I know of. So I'm not sure how Ford thinks that is something to brag about. If anything it gives them a silly accolade that means nothing and gives them an excuse to underperform. Like hey, we have over 100 hp less than the Demon (if the GT500 is 730) and 67 HP less than the Redeye but we're the most HP dense supercharged V8. Like they're looking for a way to come up short but still impress people. SMH.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

That doesn't even mean anything. LOL!

The Demon at 840 HP and 6.2 liters is 136 HP per liter rounded up. So at 140 HP per liter the GT500 would be 728 HP. Is that supposed to wow anyone?

Ok so let's use cubic inches instead. The Demon is 2.24 HP per cubic inch. If the GT500 had 2.3 HP per cubic inch then it would be 731 HP rounded up.

I used the Demon with the race ECU/tune because otherwise Ford's statements would be false. Plus at 840 HP and only 6.2 liters it is the most HP dense supercharged V8 that I know of. So I'm not sure how Ford thinks that is something to brag about. If anything it gives them a silly accolade that means nothing and gives them an excuse to underperform. Like hey, we have over 100 hp less than the Demon (if the GT500 is 730) and 67 HP less than the Redeye but we're the most HP dense supercharged V8. Like they're looking for a way to come up short but still impress people. SMH.

730 hp should wow anyone who can remember super cars in the 90s making less than 500 hp. Or anyone who knows what the top Mustangs and Camaros were making 30 years ago. I mean, what has this world of performance come to when a Mustang with 730 hp gets a yawn from someone like you? That's 80 more hp than your beloved ZL1 (which still makes less power than the previous gen GT500 from 2013). How is that not impressive? The Demon is a drag pack car, specifically engineered with top factory horsepower in mind. I don't think a special run 840 hp car (on race fuel with the special computer) should minimize a 730-750 hp car on pump gas. That's insane if it does!

That said, 140 hp / liter is pretty impressive for a factory V8 that isn't Italian (or from McLaren). The ZL1 is only 105 hp/liter. I could get that output with only full bolt ons in my N/A 5.0. The Voodoo is 101 hp/ liter N/A, for comparison. I still predict 750 hp for the Predator, which is an impressive 144 hp/liter. I believe that is higher power density than any twin turbocharged BMW (feel free to fact check me), and higher than many other high performance European sports cars. 750 hp in a ~3,950 lbs car with a DCT will be very fast. Faster than a 797 hp 4,500+ lbs Redeye widebody. And the GT500 will turn and makes hundreds of pounds of down force (particularly the CF track package).

Still, on a per liter basis, most cars pale in comparison to my wife's Volvo XC90 SUV - a 2.0 liter twin charged (supercharged and turbocharged) 4 cylinder! 158 hp/liter! The Polestar 2.0 liter from Volvo is 181 hp/liter. That's very impressive.

[Martinjlm]

BMW S58 3.0TT makes 473 hp in M-Series trim and 503 in Competition trim. That’s 158 and 168 per liter for those. It’s used in the X3M and X4M and will likely be used in the next iteration of M3 / M4

Mercedes just introduced a 2.0T for the CLA AMG that makes 416 hp. That’s 208/liter.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

BMW S58 3.0TT makes 473 hp in M-Series trim and 503 in Competition trim. That’s 158 and 168 per liter for those. It’s used in the X3M and X4M and will likely be used in the next iteration of M3 / M4

Mercedes just introduced a 2.0T for the CLA AMG that makes 416 hp. That’s 208/liter.

Ah yes, ze Germans!! I forgot about those recent engine announcements. That Mercedes engine is crazy. That said, I think it's probably easier to get high power density from lower cylinder count engines.

[USAFS197]

Just announced this morning, for those speculating.

[DeadEcho]

Looks like power has been confirmed. 760 HP and 625 LB-FT.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-torque-specs/

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DeadEcho

Looks like power has been confirmed. 760 HP and 625 LB-FT.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-torque-specs/

If this car can put the power to the ground it is going to be a monster.

[Fraxum]

I was hoping for more!

[NW-99SS]

Great number for Ford, and I'm sure it was purposely done to eclipse the LT5 just in case GM finally steps up to the plate and delivers a Camaro to compete with the big Ford and Mopar heavy hitters.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

That doesn't even mean anything. LOL!

The Demon at 840 HP and 6.2 liters is 136 HP per liter rounded up. So at 140 HP per liter the GT500 would be 728 HP. Is that supposed to wow anyone?

Ok so let's use cubic inches instead. The Demon is 2.24 HP per cubic inch. If the GT500 had 2.3 HP per cubic inch then it would be 731 HP rounded up.

I used the Demon with the race ECU/tune because otherwise Ford's statements would be false. Plus at 840 HP and only 6.2 liters it is the most HP dense supercharged V8 that I know of. So I'm not sure how Ford thinks that is something to brag about. If anything it gives them a silly accolade that means nothing and gives them an excuse to underperform. Like hey, we have over 100 hp less than the Demon (if the GT500 is 730) and 67 HP less than the Redeye but we're the most HP dense supercharged V8. Like they're looking for a way to come up short but still impress people. SMH.

IMO it's just marketing speak, a way to spin numbers.

Final numbers 760 HP. I give ford credit for their 700++ comment of not just getting like 725. But other than that I want to see more numbers. They just really botched the whole roll out of this car

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

730 hp should wow anyone who can remember super cars in the 90s making less than 500 hp. Or anyone who knows what the top Mustangs and Camaros were making 30 years ago. I mean, what has this world of performance come to when a Mustang with 730 hp gets a yawn from someone like you? That's 80 more hp than your beloved ZL1 (which still makes less power than the previous gen GT500 from 2013). How is that not impressive? The Demon is a drag pack car, specifically engineered with top factory horsepower in mind. I don't think a special run 840 hp car (on race fuel with the special computer) should minimize a 730-750 hp car on pump gas. That's insane if it does!

That said, 140 hp / liter is pretty impressive for a factory V8 that isn't Italian (or from McLaren). The ZL1 is only 105 hp/liter. I could get that output with only full bolt ons in my N/A 5.0. The Voodoo is 101 hp/ liter N/A, for comparison. I still predict 750 hp for the Predator, which is an impressive 144 hp/liter. I believe that is higher power density than any twin turbocharged BMW (feel free to fact check me), and higher than many other high performance European sports cars. 750 hp in a ~3,950 lbs car with a DCT will be very fast. Faster than a 797 hp 4,500+ lbs Redeye widebody. And the GT500 will turn and makes hundreds of pounds of down force (particularly the CF track package).

Still, on a per liter basis, most cars pale in comparison to my wife's Volvo XC90 SUV - a 2.0 liter twin charged (supercharged and turbocharged) 4 cylinder! 158 hp/liter! The Polestar 2.0 liter from Volvo is 181 hp/liter. That's very impressive.

No it is not impressive to me. Not in 2019. I don't care about what cars were making or doing over 20 years ago. 730 now (based on your statement yesterday) in 2019 after 5 years of waiting and development and after we've been seeing from GM and Dodge (755, 797, 808, 840) is lame. And especially when Ford makes these dumbass statements knowing that they're gonna fall short of the Redeye. "More HP per whatever than any blah blah blah blah". Who cares? LOL!!

And my "beloved ZL1 which still makes less power than the previous gen GT500 from 2013" will absolutely destroy that car in every category. Since you brought it up. And I bet the ZLE is gonna beat the current GT500 despite the 110 HP advantage it has. So how will that grab ya. The ZL1 beat the GT350R and you guys all talked about the HP advantage the ZL1 has. So what will the excuse be when the ZLE destroys the GT500 even tho the GT500 has the HP advantage?

Seeing that they are at 760 I guess that is a little bit better. But again, after everything that has been seen I am still not impressed. The Redeye has 797. THAT is impressive.