08-21-2019, 12:28 PM | #1 | |
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Magnuson TVS 2650 vs Edlebrock 2650 vs LT5 2650 vs Whipple 2.9L Compared in One Place
We got a chance to have all these blowers in the shop at one time, and thought we would put together a video to show the differences!
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08-21-2019, 01:11 PM | #2 |
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awesome video. thanks for making this and congrats on the various sponsorships
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08-21-2019, 05:27 PM | #3 |
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Cool Video and it was nice to meet you at the Camaro Fest and the help you gave us on my Camaro when the Cats were clogged. We ran 9.77 first weekend out at the Fest and have run quicker with the 2650 at 9.65 on pretty low boost and really good trap speed at 145 mph but still spinning the tires pretty bad. I ordered BMR rear suspension upgrades since I'm sure the stock stuff is flexing badly and upgraded the axles plus went back to drag radials instead of slicks. I think we can run 9.40s soon if we can hook it. So I'm sure you'll put down some pretty serious numbers when you get done. Good luck and PM is you need any questions during the install. We will give them hell at the LS Fest.
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2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff
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09-22-2019, 12:06 PM | #4 |
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UPDATES!!!!
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09-26-2019, 10:57 AM | #5 |
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So just wondering.. Are you going to install the Maggi and your ported Edelbrock on your 416 car.
I mean you got to, RIGHT! Both blowers need to be installed on the same car same dyno.. I know its a number, but in reality if it goes on to the same car and for track testing and if they have the same traction the higher HP with same IATs should win theoretically or at least have the edge..( hence same traction, more power may mean it spins easier) You know if the Edelbrock makes more power the maggi boyz will be like that's because its ported. LOL. I think the IATs will be lower or equal to the Maggi now on a ported Edelbrock according to what Greg told me. (if they aren't all ready no ones really tested that independently on the same car either.. More flow less IATs or time for the air to heat the #1 killer for the eforce LS3 2300 it had nothing to do with size of the core it was long ass runners that were great for torque but shitty for IATs the air basically slowed and allowed more time to heat up! Now that the flow is increased on the Eforce 2650 it ought to be better or eqaul to! If i have to be criticized that my blower needed porting to compete who the blank cares.. I take that in the Azz! Just googled price of the Maggi I find 5995.00(plus 199.00 for 103mm TB and on the Edelbrock I see 4823 at summit.. Plus summit has 10% coupon that makes it 4300 something with free ship..and comes setup for a 103mm Porting is 1500.00 at worst which makes the cost equal, having to buy different valve covers or cutting/grinding the oem's seems more of a pain than having to clearance a hood on a zl1(which is very simple and doesn't look all that bad) and if done like LPE I think the pain would be worth it who doesn't like carbon! Now it boils down to the fuel system for people that do not want to rely on meth other than cooling purposes or running race gas.. And people that have e85 on every corner like me! Both kits will work with LPEs setup Both kits will work with Katech's setup 1 kit works for port injection as of now and is easy as hell I was so close to getting the Katech setup it was stupid.. I wasn't 100% sure that 6ms would be enough time to make big power for MY DYNO QUEEN LOL! or that a DSX lower pump would fuel it. Uwe himself could not even answer if the DSX would be enough. On the LPE stuff I made a mistake I should of used a 42% lobe not a 38% but I though 800s on e85 would be ok.. well it wasn't I want 900s now I tried to get there but fuel pressure was dropping off. I sent the tune files to LPE because I wanted to know why it wasn't doing as it claimed or what I saw(930 on e85) and the tuner said 73 psi isn't enough that's why you have the rail pressure drop.. He said you need 100 psi and 80 continuously.. that would mean dropping the tank and putting in 2 525 Lph pumps, regulator, and new line to the rails using the old line as a return.. (you can see all this on the LPE sema Continental build video where they drop the tank) There is also a restriction that i had to take care of in the ck valve that needs addressing that you don't see.. I got to thinking thats 2500 bucks for a badass low side and the Katech setup may need the same thing.. I was like hell that's half the cost of port injection I might as well do that since we all ready know its proven!
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09-26-2019, 12:41 PM | #6 |
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Current price of the E Force + the pulley @$40
Edelbrock Pro Tuner Supercharger W/O TUNER #155920 for 2016-19 LT4 6.2L V8 SKU: 155920 1 $5,359.87 Subtotal $5,359.87 Shipping & Handling $0.00 Discount (SUMMER19 - 10% off and free shipping on ALL Edelbrock Superchargers.) -$535.99 Tax $247.46 Grand Total $5,071.34 |
09-26-2019, 12:48 PM | #7 |
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Speaking of port injection
Putting a Roush 2650 on my buddies 2018 Mustang GT. A bit jealous of his direct and port injection out of the box on a factory stock Mustang. |
09-26-2019, 01:31 PM | #8 |
Dyno Show Queen LOL
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I keep forgetting I have the zl1 no tune versions.. this screen shot Sept 20th maybe sale off. I posted on all the fb pages..
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09-26-2019, 03:42 PM | #9 |
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Yep, either way it is a hell of a bargain comparatively speaking
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10-05-2019, 11:00 AM | #10 |
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You can get the Maggie 2650 for the LT4 for $5647 with the coupon code "fallsavings"
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Kong ported blower/snout Roto-Fab Big gulp 103 TB Lingenfelter Lower Pulley(9.17) 1 7/8 ARH headers and Exhaust Meth injection(single nozzle) 733whp/788tq |
10-05-2019, 02:18 PM | #11 | |
Dyno Show Queen LOL
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Quote:
Add 200 TB
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10-05-2019, 04:45 PM | #12 |
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So for someone like me with the basic mods in my signature... Which 2650 would you go with for a easy no issue bolt-on experience?
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'19 ZL1 A10 Riverside Blue PDR/Nav/Sunroof
Kong ported blower/snout Roto-Fab Big gulp 103 TB Lingenfelter Lower Pulley(9.17) 1 7/8 ARH headers and Exhaust Meth injection(single nozzle) 733whp/788tq |
10-06-2019, 12:09 AM | #13 |
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In to see more Jack flailing. Always entertaining: continue.
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10-06-2019, 07:48 AM | #14 |
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The Magnuson is pretty easy. The valve cover mods will take the longest or you can purchase the after market covers from Speed Engineering for an easy swap.
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2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff
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