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Old 01-23-2020, 03:46 PM   #6693
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Nothing wrong with a regular Hellcat M6. I think Dodge didn't bother with the M6 in the Redeye because they are quite a bit slower even in the regular Hellcats.
Yea and you can get that hellcat in wide body and be pretty damn close to an m6 redeye.
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:47 PM   #6694
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Throttle House is doing a test at Willow Springs with Cammisa and Pobst. GT500 v ZLE v Redeye. Should be good.

One of the Throttle House guys posted in the ZL1 subsection looking for a ZLE to borrow, so figured something good was up.
A part of me really wants them to run and m6 and a10 ZLE for shits and gigs. At VIR the m6 seemed to hold it's own against the a10.
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:50 PM   #6695
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Another car I think deserves to be thrown in all the comparisons is the GTR and M5. They are priced in the range of the CF5 and both have more to offer. I don't think the B5/CF5 would stand a shot against those two but it would be fun to see them all lined up.
Yeah, a GTR would be a solid contender, but a different price range ($115k-$215k). Keep inching up, you're at a ZR1 and beyond.
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Old 01-23-2020, 03:53 PM   #6696
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You may be right, I am just making a guess on the limited evidence we have.

From what we have seen the base 500 is closer to the CFTP(which is good for the base or bad for the CFTP) than the ZL1 is to the ZLE.

Base 500 was what 3 seconds slower than the CFTP around VIR Full. The ZLE was almost 4 or 5 seconds faster than the ZL1 at the VIR layout used in LL. So if the CFTP is within spitting distance of the ZLE, the Base 500 in theory should be slightly head of the base ZL1 or right there with it
This is true, but the VIR grand is quite a bit longer than the VIR Full configuration with quite a few more tight turns and curves. Kind of hard to compare the times given the fact that 3 seconds on a 2 minute track could easily be extrapolated to become 4 to 5 seconds on an almost 3 minute track.

On top of that the VIR Grand would probably favor the cftp's track specific handling goodies vs the base's with the extra maneuvering required vs the straighter higher speed VIR Full.
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Old 01-23-2020, 04:43 PM   #6697
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It's the 'Murican trifecta. I hate to admit it, but part of me really likes those RE widebodies. If I wanted a big dumb car to cruise around in it'd be one of those.
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Another car I think deserves to be thrown in all the comparisons is the GTR and M5. They are priced in the range of the CF5 and both have more to offer. I don't think the B5/CF5 would stand a shot against those two but it would be fun to see them all lined up.
I like that they are keeping it with the three domestics. I'd like to see them include the base ZL1 and GT500 with the RE, ZLE and GT500 CFTP. That way we could see how the two base cars really slot between the full track cars.

Its also great that the Redeye is included. The Dodge counterpart is often left out so the contrast/$$$ will be interesting
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Old 01-23-2020, 05:03 PM   #6698
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:56 AM   #6699
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This!
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:19 AM   #6700
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This!
Can't argue this list - unless I can substitute the Demon for the RE

Truthfully though, I wouldn't spend Demon money on a drag car - if I were to spend that amount, a COPO, Drag Pack, or CobraJet should be considered first - much faster and more purpose built.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:26 AM   #6701
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You may be right, I am just making a guess on the limited evidence we have.

From what we have seen the base 500 is closer to the CFTP(which is good for the base or bad for the CFTP) than the ZL1 is to the ZLE.

Base 500 was what 3 seconds slower than the CFTP around VIR Full. The ZLE was almost 4 or 5 seconds faster than the ZL1 at the VIR layout used in LL. So if the CFTP is within spitting distance of the ZLE, the Base 500 in theory should be slightly head of the base ZL1 or right there with it
Damnit Robby beat me with the fact drop again down below. He's 100% right again, you have to look at the percentages when comparing tracks of different lengths. Also taking into account track complexity.

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Interesting comments about the tires on the ZLE. Have there been any ZL1s run with ZLE tires and compared?
Yeah quite a few guys over in the track section have. The G3Rs are very close to a Hoosier R7 slick, they are amazing tires. I have a set of used 285/35/20 G3Rs to try this year that i picked up for $100. Even running 285s vs 305s on the rear and the 35 sidewalls I expect them to be faster than the regular G3s.

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A part of me really wants them to run and m6 and a10 ZLE for shits and gigs. At VIR the m6 seemed to hold it's own against the a10.
The autos aren't as big of an advantage on the track as they are at the strip, but amateur vs pro i think would show a bigger gap between auto and manual. Also consistency will favor the auto.

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This is true, but the VIR grand is quite a bit longer than the VIR Full configuration with quite a few more tight turns and curves. Kind of hard to compare the times given the fact that 3 seconds on a 2 minute track could easily be extrapolated to become 4 to 5 seconds on an almost 3 minute track.

On top of that the VIR Grand would probably favor the cftp's track specific handling goodies vs the base's with the extra maneuvering required vs the straighter higher speed VIR Full.
see above comment

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Perfect Garage:
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Redeye - drag car
I'm spending more money than you and not considering any of these cars in my perfect garage, but I like the analogy for this comparison.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:16 AM   #6702
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This is true, but the VIR grand is quite a bit longer than the VIR Full configuration with quite a few more tight turns and curves. Kind of hard to compare the times given the fact that 3 seconds on a 2 minute track could easily be extrapolated to become 4 to 5 seconds on an almost 3 minute track.

On top of that the VIR Grand would probably favor the cftp's track specific handling goodies vs the base's with the extra maneuvering required vs the straighter higher speed VIR Full.
That is true. My line of thinking was more along the lines of seeing how each base car compares to its track pack version.
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it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:18 AM   #6703
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Perfect Garage:
Base Gt500 - daily driver
ZLE - track car
Redeye - drag car
I'm not a drag racer so my list would be something like this.

HC/Redeye - DD

ZLE - Stripped/caged/racing seats/harnesses etc track car since I would have a comfortable muscle car DD.

Unknown 3rd car. Something that is a manual two seater and light for a fun weekend/backroad car. Probably be a Porsche Cayman/911. But, c'mon GM through a manual in a GS C8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Damnit Robby beat me with the fact drop again down below. He's 100% right again, you have to look at the percentages when comparing tracks of different lengths. Also taking into account track complexity.


Yeah quite a few guys over in the track section have. The G3Rs are very close to a Hoosier R7 slick, they are amazing tires. I have a set of used 285/35/20 G3Rs to try this year that i picked up for $100. Even running 285s vs 305s on the rear and the 35 sidewalls I expect them to be faster than the regular G3s.


The autos aren't as big of an advantage on the track as they are at the strip, but amateur vs pro i think would show a bigger gap between auto and manual. Also consistency will favor the auto.


see above comment


I'm spending more money than you and not considering any of these cars in my perfect garage, but I like the analogy for this comparison.
Haha! Yeah, I should go bigger if it's only a dream.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:36 AM   #6705
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Damnit Robby beat me with the fact drop again down below. He's 100% right again, you have to look at the percentages when comparing tracks of different lengths. Also taking into account track complexity.


Yeah quite a few guys over in the track section have. The G3Rs are very close to a Hoosier R7 slick, they are amazing tires. I have a set of used 285/35/20 G3Rs to try this year that i picked up for $100. Even running 285s vs 305s on the rear and the 35 sidewalls I expect them to be faster than the regular G3s.


The autos aren't as big of an advantage on the track as they are at the strip, but amateur vs pro i think would show a bigger gap between auto and manual. Also consistency will favor the auto.


see above comment


I'm spending more money than you and not considering any of these cars in my perfect garage, but I like the analogy for this comparison.
Looks like I stalk the forums harder lol

When I bought new tires earlier this year I thought a out trying out some g3r's since they make them in 20s but got cold feet and stuck with the g3's.

I'm simple hillbilly American car fan... dream 3 car garage would be; c7 zr1 m7, heads cam fbo and strip down my ss 1le, and either a raptor or 2020 duramax at4. As much as I like the zl1 1le I'd go zr1 all day if I could lol

If I could magically have any of the 3 muscle cars on the video it'd be the gt500 cftp. I'd sell it immediately at only a slight adm to undercut the market and buy an m6 zle + a Colorado zr2 lol
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:47 AM   #6706
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Looks like I stalk the forums harder lol

When I bought new tires earlier this year I thought a out trying out some g3r's since they make them in 20s but got cold feet and stuck with the g3's.

I'm simple hillbilly American car fan... dream 3 car garage would be; c7 zr1 m7, heads cam fbo and strip down my ss 1le, and either a raptor or 2020 duramax at4. As much as I like the zl1 1le I'd go zr1 all day if I could lol

If I could magically have any of the 3 muscle cars on the video it'd be the gt500 cftp. I'd sell it immediately at only a slight adm to undercut the market and but an m6 zle + a Colorado zr2 lol
Hell, give me 2 McLaren Sennas and 3/4 ton Duramax Denalli

I only bought these wrong size G3Rs because I got them for $100. The guy had them listed for a couple months for $400 then $300 and I didn't bite. But I saw he reduced them to $100 and I jumped right on them.
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