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Do you honestly think that Ford is going to equip the GT PP with better tires than the GT350? You do realize don’t you that Michelin is phasing out the MPSS that was on the 15-17 GT350 in favor of the new (better) PS4 don’t you. While ford did release a statement to dealers noting no changes will be done, some (such as the tires) have to be. It’s not far-fetched to believe they will sneak in a few minor upgrades either. This would not be the first time a manufacturer made updates without notifying the public. Quote:
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I have yet to see any information with a head to head between the 1LE and GT350 non R. Will it be faster than the 1LE? Again, who the hell knows. With a similar power to weight ratio, similar suspension, better tires…it quite possibly could down to tenths. |
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I would love to see a head to head though, but we can compare some test numbers. CD did test a non R GT350 against a C7 Z51, and the SS 1LE's braking, skidpad, 0-60, and 1/4 mile numbers were all better. I know you will say like you always do, different day, different time, yada, yada, but some of the differences are decently large, they do correct for DA, and some stats aren't really even affected by that...and if you want to get technical, the CD numbers for the SS 1LE aren't even as good as the MT numbers, that bettered the below 0-60 and skidpad times. SS 1LE: 0-60: 4.1 1/4: 12.4 @ 116 Skidpad: 1.05 g Braking from 70: 141' GT350: 0-60: 4.3 1/4: 12.5 @ 119 Skidpad: 1.00 g Braking from 70: 171' My point is the '18 GT PP2 or whatever it is called, won't even come close to the SS 1LE, and I seriously doubt Ford would let it get tooooooo close to a GT350. |
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What, the GT PP2? How do you figure? The new Goodyear Supercar 3 tires are pretty awesome, (test numbers can back this), and I've never even seen a comparison between them and anything Michelin. Not to mention, even if the GT PP2 gets the latest and greatest Michelins, they are a decent amount narrower as it seems to have the same wheels as the last GT PP no?
So what is that 255/275 vs 285/305? That alone is a big difference and would equalize things if the new Michelins prove to possibly be that good. Just too much speculation...either way, I don't see the GT PP2 as it looks on paper so far even coming close to the SS 1LE. It may match a regular SS on run flats now...that's it. |
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http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/art...-packages.html Semantics, maybe...I have seen some of the results and they appear to be excellent. You are correct, the GT PP will have a width deficit (yes, it sounds terrible). I would absolutely concede any advantage the GT has using the PS4s, I forgot how girthy the 1LE's shoes were. |
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Most likely we will see the SS 1LE vs the GT PP2, which would make sense as those cars are the true competitors of one another. |
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Odd, I wonder why the discrepancy. Type maybe. |
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The link you posted just says that they have Goodyear Supercar tires, it doesn't say Supercar 1....pretty sure you can't even get the 1's anymore unless they are leftovers. |
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http://blog.caranddriver.com/tested-...-fiber-wheels/ And simple physics. Reducing rotational mass reduces inertia in an exponential relationship, not a linear one. The impact of reducing the rotational and unsprung mass by 58 lbs. has a huge impact. Not an opinion, just the facts. Please do some research if you haven't seen enough data. Google is your friend. There is plenty of data out there showing the benefits of lighter wheels. Quote:
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I wonder if the GT350 will get the new MP tires like the GTPP does.
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