[oldman]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Any data on the 95mm tb and msd combined with a flashed/recalibrated gm cai?

nope and IMO, note IMO, that reflash has to be hype. As I said IMO it is either a stock box with a hole cut in it with green filter just like the $12000 Callaway, Ligenfelter too I may add, or a Rotofab. I'm a long away out of this debate now. If a vendor wants to pay an independent shop not on some silly back to back test, but put it on drive it for a week dyno this "high flow wonder" take it off put the stock box back in, then dyno again... then I'm all ears... ALL cars will show a gain OEM to a slightly leaner mixture, means nothing after you dirve it around.

Note that even Rotofab is IMO... So yep lets see the dyno go the other way. dyno with the highflow wonder, put stock lid back on with no filter or base... let me know.


So I'm saying the 103mm and a ported MSD works, even with stock tune.

I'm saying IMO CAI of any sort is iffy, and IMO Rotofab is probably the best. For me I had the CAI CAI, and both MAF versions of the Mishimoto... both with less than stellar results.

[ss2fast4u]

sooooooooo is this setup worth it or no lol were still waiting on those impressions haha

[oldman]

I think it was worth it FBO (this should be the last BO), my only caution is the box, which I would go Roto-fab, or stock with green filter and a hole cut in.

I will also point out this BO, works even better with heads and / or cam. If you are NEVER going to cam your car, Pray's ported stuff is a better way to spend your money.

[ss2fast4u]

Anytime I look into the upgrade route it seems like it always ends with either go cam and heads or forced induction if you want a real performance boost lol ����*♂️

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by oldman

nope and IMO, note IMO, that reflash has to be hype. As I said IMO it is either a stock box with a hole cut in it with green filter just like the $12000 Callaway, Ligenfelter too I may add, or a Rotofab. I'm a long away out of this debate now. If a vendor wants to pay an independent shop not on some silly back to back test, but put it on drive it for a week dyno this "high flow wonder" take it off put the stock box back in, then dyno again... then I'm all ears... ALL cars will show a gain OEM to a slightly leaner mixture, means nothing after you dirve it around.

Note that even Rotofab is IMO... So yep lets see the dyno go the other way. dyno with the highflow wonder, put stock lid back on with no filter or base... let me know.


So I'm saying the 103mm and a ported MSD works, even with stock tune.

I'm saying IMO CAI of any sort is iffy, and IMO Rotofab is probably the best. For me I had the CAI CAI, and both MAF versions of the Mishimoto... both with less than stellar results.

I appreciated the "IMO" in your statements. A lot of people don't note that.

[Ventmaster]

Thanks for the vote of support oldman! I agree, no more bolt-ons for me until I have time for a cam and tune.

In the mean time... ss2fast4u, I appreciate your patience and all I can say is oldman is correct in his assessment of this being a worth while bolt-on. And while we're not supposed to tell war stories... there is a red Porsche Carrera 4wd that will attest to a bolt-on Camaro's ability here in S.Utah. Not just in a straight line (actually, he didn't want to play in a straight line after our first encounter), but cornering at speed as well (thought I was gonna have to stop and find him in the weeds!)

I don't have any hard numbers but IMHO my butt dyno sez this is a no loss at bottom end and definite win at the top end rush for a bolt-on with no tune. I've experienced no adverse effects or issues since adding these parts.

[Matt@Tick]

This manifold and TB combo is hands down the best bolt on gain we have seen in all of our testings.

[Brianw36]

Does anyone know the correct throttle max area size for the 95mm under Throttle area limits in HPTuners?

[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by Matt@Tick

This manifold and TB combo is hands down the best bolt on gain we have seen in all of our testings.

The gains have been proven at the track also, your product has helped me hammer down a 10.44@128 in a bolt-on only car. Thanks Tick Performance.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

The gains have been proven at the track also, your product has helped me hammer down a 10.44@128 in a bolt-on only car. Thanks Tick Performance.

What do think it picked up over your stocker?

[Matt@Tick]

Originally Posted by Snowblind

The gains have been proven at the track also, your product has helped me hammer down a 10.44@128 in a bolt-on only car. Thanks Tick Performance.

We are happy to be part of the project.

[18ss376]

Snowblind or Matt what does LTH & WR mean?

[oldman]

I did FBO including E85, IMO the performance was actually pretty good. I actually put a 5 car hurt on a hellcat... FYI.

My two major points FOB, the MSD and 103 is not drastically better or even "better" than Pray's ported items. At least IMO. The MSD ported with 103 MM will be better than ported stuff with cam and headers, so I think you really know where you are going to stop. If you are going supercharger, I'd stick with stock, or Pray ported stuff (lots of flash in the factory stuff), the 103 MM and MSD on boost, seems to be near worthless. I have for grins put the stock stuff (ported by me) back on and notice NO difference between that and the ported MSD / 103mm. My ported stuff is blah vs Pray... BTW.

CAI, IMO this is where the least HP will be found, for bolt-ons. If I were to do it again (I'm not), RotoFab seems the most convincing, and even there I would like to see a reverse bolt on. Dyno with RotoFab, then put stock box on with no filter, dyno, put green filter on, dyno, put stock filter on dyno. RotoFab seems to back there stuff up, maybe they would offer a free setup for somebody willing to do just that.

[Matt@Tick]

Originally Posted by 18ss376

Snowblind or Matt what does LTH & WR mean?

(LTH) Long tube headers

(WR) Weight Reduction, I'm guessing at this one lol!