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I'm gonna have to say that performance for dollar and with all things counted including options, the current available C8s (Base and Z51) are the best value hands down. Second place goes to the ZL1.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself. I can’t see myself ever paying even a dollar over msrp. Because of this my next car will probably be a ZL1 (also because it looks and sounds better and can also be bought with a manual.)
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Did you see the time Randy P. put down at Laguna Seca for the Z51 C8 at this year's MT Best Driver's Car? 1:37.83. Slower than an SS 1LE from a few years back (1:37.77) and nearly two seconds slower than the GT350R (obviously with an M6) time of 1:36.11 from that same year as the SS 1LE. The Z51's time is 4.9 seconds slower than a 911 Turbo S that was also on street summer tires for this year's BDC, and 4 seconds slower than the GT500 CFTP (1:33.84), also same day as the 911 Turbo S. These are all Randy P. times from MT's BDC competition. The C8 is not a supercar, yet. It will be once the Z06 and other variants arrive. No doubt the capabilities are there for those future models. Any not for nothing, but this is the second Shelby Mustang to finish in 2nd place in the last few years behind a bona fide supercar (GT350R finished 2nd behind a McLaren 570S in 2016 which by the way went 1:34.58).
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But I do not think the C8 Z06 will be a legit "Supercar"...like the Aventador, McLarens, etc. It ain't gonna touch those cars. Not without forced induction at least. The C8 ZR1 will be a true Supercar. But not the Z06. |
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An A10 ZL1 with no other options: $67,690 (including $2,100 gas guzzler). They are pretty darn close in price when you add the magnetic dampers to the C8 ($1,895 option). You're probably right about the Z06 vs. Aventador, McLaren 720S, etc. I think it will fall short of that level. It will be more like "entry level" supercar performance. The ZR1 will be right there with the big dogs, though. The C7 Z06 went 7:13 around the 'ring, I wonder what the new C8 Z06 will go? For comparison, the Ferrari 488 Pista went 7 mins flat. FWIW, the Huracan Performante went 6:52 and it's NA...so maybe the Z06 will surprise us. I wasn't planning to mention the Aventador's time of 6:44.9 since it's a V12 and cost more than a half milllion dollars, but I just did anyway. On another note: I didn't realize the Z51 package adds a 5.17 rear differential to the C8 until I just built one. No wonder it does 0-60 in under 3 seconds. That's some serious torque multiplication assuming the power can be put down (which it obviously does very well). 81% greater than the ZL1 (2.85 rear diff).
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The rear mid engine layout is proving to only help 0 to 60 times. |
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Maybe GM will pull a C6 Z06 move and make the C8 Z06 lighter than the base car. It could be possible without forced induction but may be difficult since with the C6 Z06 they used a lot more aluminum and some carbon fiber compared to the base C6. I also don't think the C8 Z06 will break 7 mins, considering the 488 Pista ran 7 mins flat; and the 720S didn't break 7 mins either. I think a C8 ZR1 could break it, though.
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5:17? Hows the launch on that thing though? Gotta be a great driver with all that wheel spin. |
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Apparently the base C8 diff. is 4.89 so the trans. must be geared differently than most cars with 2.85-3.73:1 rear ends. I just looked it up and the trans. is geared as if you started in 2nd in most other modern automatic vehicles. 1st is 2.91, 2nd is 1.76, 3rd is 1.22 and 4th is .878. The ZL1 A10 doesn't hit 1.00 until 7th gear, for comparison: 1st 4.71 2nd 2.99 3rd 2.15 4th1.77 5th 1.52 Take 2nd gear, for example in the ZL1: 2.85 rear combined with 2.99 2nd = 8.52 overall. 2nd in the Z51 C8 = 1.76x5.17 = 9.1, so it's only a little lower than a ZL1's 2nd gear. Base Stingray = 1.76x4.89 = 8.61, pretty close to a ZL1 A10's 2nd gear. Numerically, it makes sense to have such a low geared diff. with those transmissions ratios. Interesting choice on GM's part.
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