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Beefsquatch · 02-24-2021, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

Is that blower maxed out? If not Pulley down and send it!!

Another TQ storm owner also mentioned that the blower was rated for 1250 CFM at 15 PSI... but im sure the company wouldnt like that for warranty lol. he has room to go/grow but still those numbers seem off.

RupertPupkin · 02-24-2021, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Beefsquatch

Another TQ storm owner also mentioned that the blower was rated for 1250 CFM at 15 PSI... but im sure the company wouldnt like that for warranty lol. he has room to go/grow but still those numbers seem off.

Yeah... Seems conservative.

Where you at in WI?

Adriangarza40 · 02-24-2021, 08:24 PM

I’m running the 3.1 pulley and it only made 7.5psi. Idk if there are smaller pulleys available

Torqstorm · 02-25-2021, 07:19 AM

We have 30+ 5th gen Camaro's with setups in the 650-700whp at 7-9# of boost. Something is off with your setup.

It is too common for shops or installers to just immediately blame the blower without looking at other potential flaws in the build. The supercharger makes the same amount of air on each setup. So why is yours so low? At roughly 20hp gain per lb of boost, that puts you at a minimum 140+hp gain. Realistically 200whp gain is average on well put together cam/heads cars. At 70 hp gain at 7lbs you either are backed up or have some conservative tuning or something holding the setup back from its true potential.

Sorry you are having difficulties. Hope you get it squared away.

Jeff

RupertPupkin · 02-25-2021, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Adriangarza40

I’m running the 3.1 pulley and it only made 7.5psi. Idk if there are smaller pulleys available

https://www.ls1gto.com/threads/torqs....616369/page-7

TheFlyingBananaSS · 02-25-2021, 07:34 AM

Belt slip is suspect. Also I would of flipped if I got the wrong cam installed. Find a new tuner who is willing to troubleshoot while on the dyno.

Torqstorm · 02-25-2021, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

https://www.ls1gto.com/threads/torqs....616369/page-7

Can't believe everything you read...
This customer had many issues with many of the builds he had done, you can search his name and see. If the problems he had were common you would hear all about it online.. We've looked into it pretty thoroughly, and unfortunately that thread will haunt us forever...Also to mention this was from back in 2015.

As for belt issues, we don't use that type on tensioner system anymore. It used to be a manual tensioner, that unfortunately customers would crank down so hard that it would cause all sorts of damage. We have very little belt slip issues anymore with our automatic tensioner setup, regardless of the pulley size. (Part of the reason we don't produce any pulleys smaller then we offer)

Torqstorm · 02-25-2021, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

Belt slip is suspect. Also I would of flipped if I got the wrong cam installed. Find a new tuner who is willing to troubleshoot while on the dyno.

I would say possibly the belt slip could be suspect as well. But he is making common boost numbers for this application. However knowing that boost numbers is nothing but a measure of the amount of air that the engine is not consuming. (pressure/restriction). It is possible the setup is not flowing well causing it to appear to have a descent boost number, but not utilizing the amount of proper airflow.
The customer states the base horsepower numbers were done on the same dyno, then later states that the cam was switched out when going back to the same dyno with the Supercharger. Well this is the biggest red flag for me. What cam was installed now, and what did it base at? At 7.5# of boost theoretically that is good for 40-50% gains over base. So what would this car base at with the new cam in question??

RupertPupkin · 02-25-2021, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Torqstorm

Can't believe everything you read...
This customer had many issues with many of the builds he had done, you can search his name and see. If the problems he had were common you would hear all about it online.. We've looked into it pretty thoroughly, and unfortunately that thread will haunt us forever...Also to mention this was from back in 2015.

As for belt issues, we don't use that type on tensioner system anymore. It used to be a manual tensioner, that unfortunately customers would crank down so hard that it would cause all sorts of damage. We have very little belt slip issues anymore with our automatic tensioner setup, regardless of the pulley size. (Part of the reason we don't produce any pulleys smaller then we offer)

Everything in the internet is real. I was more so referencing the numbers. Not the actual build. Seems like nothing really changed from 2015 to now.

RupertPupkin · 02-25-2021, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Torqstorm

I would say possibly the belt slip could be suspect as well. But he is making common boost numbers for this application. However knowing that boost numbers is nothing but a measure of the amount of air that the engine is not consuming. (pressure/restriction). It is possible the setup is not flowing well causing it to appear to have a descent boost number, but not utilizing the amount of proper airflow.
The customer states the base horsepower numbers were done on the same dyno, then later states that the cam was switched out when going back to the same dyno with the Supercharger. Well this is the biggest red flag for me. What cam was installed now, and what did it base at? At 7.5# of boost theoretically that is good for 40-50% gains over base. So what would this car base at with the new cam in question??

From what I could read, he requested a nigh fury cam, but they put on a completely different cam. Still happy with the numbers. Regardless of that, what’s the average HP spread of going from 1 cam to another? Quite minimal.

Silver14 · 02-25-2021, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

From what I could read, he requested a nigh fury cam, but they put on a completely different cam. Still happy with the numbers. Regardless of that, what’s the average HP spread of going from 1 cam to another? Quite minimal.

That's assuming the cam was installed correctly and there are no other issues. Maybe the cam timing is off a tooth. (edit to add: whoops, I think he's only had the one cam, I read it as he had a NF then switched cam and added the supercharger.)

Everyone is just throwing darts blindfolded due to the lack of details

RupertPupkin · 02-25-2021, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver14

That's assuming the cam was installed correctly and there are no other issues. Maybe the cam timing is off a tooth.

Everyone is just throwing darts blindfolded due to the lack of details

Agreed.

Adriangarza40 · 02-25-2021, 01:28 PM

I’m thinking the issue is belt slip. Will keep you guys posted

Beefsquatch · 02-26-2021, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

Yeah... Seems conservative.

Where you at in WI?

about 20 ish mins from milwaukee south.

Hope you figure everything out OP, these are stout little blowers for sure.

02-24-2021, 08:24 PM	#45
Adriangarza40 Drives: 2014 2SS/RS/LS3 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 89	I’m running the 3.1 pulley and it only made 7.5psi. Idk if there are smaller pulleys available __________________ 2014 LS3, AFDynamics Cai, Speed Engineering catless headers, BTR Nightfury cam 484RWHP 453lbft TQ

02-25-2021, 07:19 AM	#46
Torqstorm Drives: 2011 2ss Torqstorm supercharged Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Michigan Posts: 9	We have 30+ 5th gen Camaro's with setups in the 650-700whp at 7-9# of boost. Something is off with your setup. It is too common for shops or installers to just immediately blame the blower without looking at other potential flaws in the build. The supercharger makes the same amount of air on each setup. So why is yours so low? At roughly 20hp gain per lb of boost, that puts you at a minimum 140+hp gain. Realistically 200whp gain is average on well put together cam/heads cars. At 70 hp gain at 7lbs you either are backed up or have some conservative tuning or something holding the setup back from its true potential. Sorry you are having difficulties. Hope you get it squared away. Jeff __________________ Your source for Limited lifetime warranty centrifugal superchargers. 616-706-5580 www.torqstorm.com Sales@torqstorm.com

02-25-2021, 07:34 AM	#48
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Belt slip is suspect. Also I would of flipped if I got the wrong cam installed. Find a new tuner who is willing to troubleshoot while on the dyno. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

02-25-2021, 01:28 PM	#55
Adriangarza40 Drives: 2014 2SS/RS/LS3 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 89	I’m thinking the issue is belt slip. Will keep you guys posted __________________ 2014 LS3, AFDynamics Cai, Speed Engineering catless headers, BTR Nightfury cam 484RWHP 453lbft TQ