[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by 90503

The inevitable future with it's driver assistance features marches on...The designers, sellers, and promoters of these death-mobiles that cater to the smug lazy drivers should all be in prison.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-...s-motorcyclist

Another Death
A motorcyclist in Utah was killed over the weekend after a Tesla driver crashed into him from the back — while the car's Autopilot system was turned on.

It's yet another crash involving the highly controversial driver assistance feature, and which has already been added to the lengthy list of crashes being investigated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

According to local news, the motorcyclist was hit just after 1 am on Sunday, local time. The Tesla driver reportedly didn't see the rider, who died at the scene after sustaining fatal injuries, according to police.

The Numbers
As of this week, the NHTSA's Special Crash investigations (SCI) list of collisions includes 48 crashes, 39 of which involve Tesla vehicles. In total, it's tracking 19 deaths involving Tesla vehicles.

Sixteen of these crashes involved Tesla vehicles colliding with stationary emergency vehicles while Autopilot was turned on.

And those are just the crashes actively being investigated by the NHTSA's SCI unit. According to the regulator, it's aware of 273 crashes involving Autopilot between July 2021 and May 2022 in the US.

Total Recall
The regulator's investigation is raising the specter of a potential recall of massive proportions. The NHTSA is investigating 830,000 cars now, which includes every single car the electric carmaker has sold between 2014 and 2021, including the Model S, X, 3, and Y.

It's still unclear what such a recall could end up looking like, or whether Tesla will be forced to physically take possession of these vehicles to make changes or simply issue an over-the-air software update.

Tesla is also going through a major restructuring. The news comes just two weeks after Andrej Karpathy, the head of Tesla's AI department, which oversee the company's controversial Autopilot feature, abruptly left the company.

As the latest fatal crash goes to show, there are clear risks to using these driver-assistance features, particularly when it comes to Tesla's Full Self-Driving package, an optional $12,000 add-on that is being beta tested by a selected group of drivers on public streets.

The crashes are starting to pile up — and so is the pressure on Tesla to ensure its driver assistance software won't lead to yet another avoidable death.

Very Sad. There are lots of heated debates on this topic on the Tesla forums. You have folks that say these computer based automated systems are more safe than human drivers, that they will make less mistakes but these systems are developed by humans so they are flawed already. It will be messy until we reach level 5 autonomy as users will blindly trust these level 2 and 3 systems, which will result in even more accidents. Most of the Tesla accidents I see are the result of drivers misusing the system.

IMO, Tesla should not be marketing the features as Full Self Driving. It is false advertising and causes problems since these cars don’t full self drive. Not even close. It is an expensive science project where you get to pay $12k to be a beta tester.

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by Dan82679

Slippy Google's an article and he's an expert. What he's bringing up has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm using my phone so and I don't really care about misspellings.I just read his article and the way I interpet it is the the best temperature for effeincy is 59 degrees the effeincy range is between 59-95 and the average temperature that companies use the list their coefficient ratings is 77. They way I see it after 59 degree's effeincy decreases and after 95 degrees they are useless.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune...peratures/amp/

I didn't Google an article, I linked you to the Google results of thousands or articles stating panels are tested for efficiency at 25*C/77*F.

You stated panels lose 30% efficiency at 70*F, they simply don't. The efficiency is rated at 77*F, lower temperatures mean greater efficiency. With a power coefficient -.4% and 70*F = 21*C, that's a 1.6% gain in efficiency.

Panels still work just fine at 35*C/95*F, that would be a 4% loss from the efficiency rating using the same -.4% power coefficient.

If you are actually trying to do the math, I think you are off a couple decimal places.

Here is my July results, I live in the southeast, it's been 90*F+ all month. Home is ~3k sq ft kept at 72*F all the time.

[Slippy]

From the article in your most recent link:

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by David Gordon

I still think cell phones were a bad idea, Video games, bad idea. This world was a better place before those happened. Yes I have a cell phone.

That's the thing. You have a cell phone but yet you think it's bad. If it's bad then why do you have one? It's not like you technically need one right? Jobs can't force you to have a cell phone, for personal use.

That's what I'm getting at. People will also have issues with something but later down the line they will buy into whatever it was that they were against.

Did you know that there were people against the light bulb and also cars? They said cars would never replace the house. But look at what we have 100s of years later that the World depends on.

[JKSully]

Originally Posted by Slippy

From the article in your most recent link:

Combining both of your responses in a single post would have been better for "effeincy". Because that's totally a word that an expert on solar panels knows.

[Dan82679]

Vigilante I love my cell phone but trying to write fast while at work can be challenging. I was a Bell Atlantic/Verizon land line technician in the late 90's early 2000's .I was pro cell phone then and we actually had laid out the infrastructure for cell phone adoption before we released the technology. Very different than the government mandating EV when the infrastructure is not there Slippy let's agree to disagree. Let's say your right with 77° you have nothing better than to troll because of 7°?
Everyone is missing the point since the start of the forum that we do not have the infrastructure for mass adoption of EV. Coal and gas power plants are the main source of power and solar/wind turbines are secondary at best. The Government has there own agenda for pushing EV and it is definitely not to help the masses. Politicians do not care about you or your Family.
Keyboard tough guys can mock me for my spelling,trollers can troll I don't care the bottom line is we are not ready for EV Mass adoption. I'm out of this thread.

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by Dan82679

Slippy let's agree to disagree. Let's say your right with 77° you have nothing better than to troll because of 7°?

It’s not trolling to correct blatant falsehoods. You are making up #s to support a claim. It is absolutely baffling that someone will form such strong opinions when they have a fundamental misunderstanding of something.

[raptor5244]

Based on this article, the Dodge Charger/Challenger will be BEV. Other other articles were supposedly rumor.

https://www.motor1.com/news/601368/n...ce=syndication

[Dan82679]

Originally Posted by Slippy

It’s not trolling to correct blatant falsehoods. You are making up #s to support a claim. It is absolutely baffling that someone will form such strong opinions when they have a fundamental misunderstanding of something.

Get a life

[Slippy]

Originally Posted by Dan82679

Get a life

Lol, how many times are you going to threaten to leave but still reply?

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by Dan82679

Vigilante I love my cell phone but trying to write fast while at work can be challenging. I was a Bell Atlantic/Verizon land line technician in the late 90's early 2000's .I was pro cell phone then and we actually had laid out the infrastructure for cell phone adoption before we released the technology. Very different than the government mandating EV when the infrastructure is not there Slippy let's agree to disagree. Let's say your right with 77° you have nothing better than to troll because of 7°?
Everyone is missing the point since the start of the forum that we do not have the infrastructure for mass adoption of EV. Coal and gas power plants are the main source of power and solar/wind turbines are secondary at best. The Government has there own agenda for pushing EV and it is definitely not to help the masses. Politicians do not care about you or your Family.
Keyboard tough guys can mock me for my spelling,trollers can troll I don't care the bottom line is we are not ready for EV Mass adoption. I'm out of this thread.

Talking about cell phones. Yes the Government didn't mandate them, they were accepted into society and the Government just sat back while everyone now carries around a device that the Government can tap into without you knowing.

[mlee]

This is the biggest CLICKBAIT article ever. There is no 4 door Camaro planned.

As for EV in general... it's not going anywhere so might as well get used to it. ICE cars aren't going anywhere either so at some point (consumer driven) we will arrive at a mixed balance. EV will land as a decent daily commuting car when it comes home every day for charge and ICE for everything else as we have it now.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 90503

The inevitable future with it's driver assistance features marches on...The designers, sellers, and promoters of these death-mobiles that cater to the smug lazy drivers should all be in prison.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-...s-motorcyclist

Another Death
A motorcyclist in Utah was killed over the weekend after a Tesla driver crashed into him from the back — while the car's Autopilot system was turned on.

It's yet another crash involving the highly controversial driver assistance feature, and which has already been added to the lengthy list of crashes being investigated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

According to local news, the motorcyclist was hit just after 1 am on Sunday, local time. The Tesla driver reportedly didn't see the rider, who died at the scene after sustaining fatal injuries, according to police.

The Numbers
As of this week, the NHTSA's Special Crash investigations (SCI) list of collisions includes 48 crashes, 39 of which involve Tesla vehicles. In total, it's tracking 19 deaths involving Tesla vehicles.

Sixteen of these crashes involved Tesla vehicles colliding with stationary emergency vehicles while Autopilot was turned on.

And those are just the crashes actively being investigated by the NHTSA's SCI unit. According to the regulator, it's aware of 273 crashes involving Autopilot between July 2021 and May 2022 in the US.

Total Recall
The regulator's investigation is raising the specter of a potential recall of massive proportions. The NHTSA is investigating 830,000 cars now, which includes every single car the electric carmaker has sold between 2014 and 2021, including the Model S, X, 3, and Y.

It's still unclear what such a recall could end up looking like, or whether Tesla will be forced to physically take possession of these vehicles to make changes or simply issue an over-the-air software update.

Tesla is also going through a major restructuring. The news comes just two weeks after Andrej Karpathy, the head of Tesla's AI department, which oversee the company's controversial Autopilot feature, abruptly left the company.

As the latest fatal crash goes to show, there are clear risks to using these driver-assistance features, particularly when it comes to Tesla's Full Self-Driving package, an optional $12,000 add-on that is being beta tested by a selected group of drivers on public streets.

The crashes are starting to pile up — and so is the pressure on Tesla to ensure its driver assistance software won't lead to yet another avoidable death.

Suggesting I should go to jail is a weee bit harsh.

Keep in mind its ADAS, Automated Driver ASSIST System. In most of theses cases, the driver is NOT paying attention. Recently drove an Escalade for 3,000 miles. Did a few goofy things but for the most part if your eyes divert from straight ahead for more than a few seconds you get an alert a few more seconds and it shuts down. Tesla? Well not admitting to how I know but there is basically porn with people in Teslas driving down the road.

Tesla until recently did not use any camera to ensure the driver was looking at the road. And having the steering wheel which inductive sensing rather than torque sensing would be the next improvement.

The best Darwin winners were the two killed in a Tesla while the auto pilot was engaged. One was in the passenger seat with the other in the back seat. To fake out a Tesla you only need to have weight on the steering wheel that confirms your hands on the wheel and the seat belt buckled which ensures there is a driver (but not a seat sensor). They have a camera but didn’t use it for “privacy” concerns.

If you abuse the 400 plus HP in yourCamaro and get in accident and kill someone the extension of your thinking is the powertrain engineers, marketers should all go to jail. I can assure you that Adaptive Cruise, Lane Keep Assist and Pedestrian Detection absolutely save lives (and your insurance company $). But driver ignorance and misunderstanding o& the technology is leading to issues that you outline.

[90503]

All this hands-free driving is absolute garbage.

No matter how it's presented, it is fraught with danger, selfish profit motive, video-game mentality and unsafe. I hope Congress will at some point ban it completely. Hiding behind "oh, they just didn't use it right" doesn't rationalize the simple fact that it should never have been considered to be in any automobile in the first place and is a completely unnecessary gimmick that has taken innocent life.

Sleep well.