08-13-2021, 01:02 PM | #1 |
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12.5 volts during normal driving
So the info center says I'm running @ 12.5 volts
Is this a normal range while putzing around town ?? |
08-13-2021, 01:06 PM | #2 |
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If it’s not 13.8v-14.4v I’d look critically at my alternator, or what aftermarket loads (such as amps, lights, etc) that I have installed.
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08-13-2021, 01:09 PM | #3 |
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This has been covered quite a few times on the forums already. Quick search for battery, voltage, or alternator should turn one up. This is normal behavior. The alternator is engaged/disengaged as needed depending on electrical load and battery state. You'll typically see anywhere from battery voltage of ~12.5 up to 14.5 V depending on electrical load at any given time. Only time you'll usually need to check the alternator is when you see the alternator/charging failure message on the dash.
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08-13-2021, 01:30 PM | #4 |
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Thanks Alpha, It has read as high as 14.3
Sounds good |
08-14-2021, 09:44 AM | #5 | |
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08-14-2021, 09:58 AM | #6 |
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yep same here
changes voltage at any time.
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08-14-2021, 10:31 AM | #7 |
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Go on a long trip, and the next day your voltage will be 12.5 for a while. Make many short trips or leave the car sitting, and the voltage will stay high to catch up on charging.
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08-14-2021, 10:36 AM | #8 |
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She was 14.5v at this mornings start up.
Pretty much knew there is variances in charging. Always good to ask the hive 😁 |
08-14-2021, 11:46 AM | #9 |
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There's a lot more to it than just charging, though. Combined with the fact that I'm not sure it's actually know what that reading is actually showing. It is alternator output? Voltage across the battery terminals? Voltage across another specific point in the car? Additionally, the fact that it isn't actually a mechanical gauge means that it could also be showing some sort of combination of readings from multiple areas in the electrical system.
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08-14-2021, 07:44 PM | #10 |
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When I first bought my Camaro I noticed this too and was freaking out. Even bought a new battery as well, but everything checked out. These newer cars are more power efficient. My last car was a 2012 Mustang GT.
I made a post on this too when I first bought my car. |
08-15-2021, 07:16 AM | #11 |
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It's normal across all of GM offerings. Used to be called; "smart charging". Now "The new GM charging system is actually called the electrical power management system. It’s designed to monitor vehicle voltage and only charge the battery when necessary. GM does this to improve gas mileage and reduce the need to generate power when it’s not needed."
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08-15-2021, 07:55 AM | #12 |
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DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND
OPERATION > ELECTRICAL POWER MANAGEMENT OVERVIEW The electrical power management system is designed to monitor and control the charging system and send diagnostic messages to alert the driver of possible problems with the battery and generator. This electrical power management system primarily utilizes existing on-board computer capability to maximize the effectiveness of the generator, to manage the load, improve battery state-of-charge and life, and minimize the system's impact on fuel economy. The electrical power management system performs 3 functions: It monitors the battery voltage and estimates the battery condition. It takes corrective actions by boosting idle speeds, and adjusting the regulated voltage. It performs diagnostics and driver notification. The battery condition is estimated during ignition-off and during ignition-on. During ignition-off the stateof- charge of the battery is determined by measuring the open-circuit voltage. The state-of-charge is a function of the acid concentration and the internal resistance of the battery, and is estimated by reading the battery open circuit voltage when the battery has been at rest for several hours. The state-of-charge can be used as a diagnostic tool to tell the customer or the dealer the condition of the battery. Throughout ignition-on, the algorithm continuously estimates state-of-charge based on adjusted net amp hours, battery capacity, initial state-of-charge, and temperature. While running, the battery degree of discharge is primarily determined by a battery current sensor, which is integrated to obtain net amp hours. In addition, the electrical power management function is designed to perform regulated voltage control to improve battery state-of-charge, battery life, and fuel economy. This is accomplished by using knowledge of the battery state-of-charge and temperature to set the charging voltage to an optimum battery voltage level for recharging without detriment to battery life. The Charging System Description and Operation is divided into 3 sections. The first section describes the charging system components and their integration into the electrical power management. The second section describes charging system operation. The third section describes the instrument panel cluster operation of the charge indicator, driver information center messages, and voltmeter operation. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM COMPONENTS Generator The generator is a serviceable component. If there is a diagnosed failure of the generator it must be replaced as an assembly. The engine drive belt drives the generator. When the rotor is spun it induces an alternating current (AC) into the stator windings. The AC voltage is then sent through a series of diodes for rectification. The rectified voltage has been converted into a direct current (DC) for use by the vehicles electrical system to maintain electrical loads and the battery charge. The voltage regulator integral to the generator controls the output of the generator. It is not serviceable. The voltage regulator controls the amount of current provided to the rotor. If the generator has field control circuit failure, the generator defaults to an output voltage of 13.8 V. Body Control Module (BCM) The body control module (BCM) is a GMLAN device. It communicates with the engine control module (ECM) and the instrument panel cluster for electrical power management (electrical power management) operation. The BCM determines the output of the generator and sends the information to the ECM for control of the generator turn on signal circuit. It monitors the generator field duty cycle signal circuit information sent from the ECM for control of the generator. It monitors a battery current sensor, the battery positive voltage circuit, and estimated battery temperature to determine battery state of charge. The BCM performs idle boost. Battery Current Sensor The battery current sensor is a serviceable component that is connected to the negative battery cable at the battery. The battery current sensor is a 3-wire hall effect current sensor. The battery current sensor monitors the battery current. It directly inputs to the BCM. It creates a 5 volt pulse width modulation (PWM) signal of 128 Hz with a duty cycle of 0-100 percent. Normal duty cycle is between 5-95 percent. Between 0-5 percent and 95-100 percent are for diagnostic purposes. Engine Control Module (ECM) When the engine is running, the generator turn-on signal is sent to the generator from the ECM, turning on the regulator. The generator's voltage regulator controls current to the rotor, thereby controlling the output voltage. The rotor current is proportional to the electrical pulse width supplied by the regulator. When the engine is started, the regulator senses generator rotation by detecting AC voltage at the stator through an internal wire. Once the engine is running, the regulator varies the field current by controlling the pulse width. This regulates the generator output voltage for proper battery charging and electrical system operation. The generator field duty terminal is connected internally to the voltage regulator and externally to the ECM. When the voltage regulator detects a charging system problem, it grounds this circuit to signal the ECM that a problem exists. The ECM monitors the generator field duty cycle signal circuit, and receives control decisions based on information from the BCM. Instrument Panel Cluster The instrument panel cluster provides the customer notification in case a concern with the charging system. There are 2 means of notification, a charge indicator and a driver information center message of SERVICE BATTERY CHARGING SYSTEM if equipped. |
08-15-2021, 07:59 AM | #13 |
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DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND
OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM OPERATION The purpose of the charging system is to maintain the battery charge and vehicle loads. There are 6 modes of operation and they include: Battery Sulfation Mode Charge Mode Fuel Economy Mode Head lamp Mode Start Up Mode Voltage Reduction Mode The engine control module (ECM) controls the generator through the generator turn ON signal circuit. The ECM monitors the generator performance though the generator field duty cycle signal circuit. The signal is a pulse width modulation (PWM) signal of 128 Hz with a duty cycle of 0-100 percent. Normal duty cycle is between 5-95 percent. Between 0-5 percent and 95-100 percent are for diagnostic purposes. The following table shows the commanded duty cycle and output voltage of the generator: Commanded Duty Cycle Generator Output Voltage 10% 11 V 20% 11.56 V 30% 12.12 V 40% 12.68 V 50% 13.25 V 60% 13.81 V 70% 14.37 V 80% 14.94 V 90% 15.5 V The generator provides a feedback signal of the generator voltage output through the generator field duty cycle signal circuit to the ECM. This information is sent to the body control module (BCM). The signal is PWM signal of 128 Hz with a duty cycle of 0-100 percent. Normal duty cycle is between 5-99 percent. Between 0-5 percent and 100 percent are for diagnostic purposes. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > BATTERY SULFATION MODE The BCM will enter this mode when the interpreted generator output voltage is less than 13.2 V for 45 minutes. When this condition exists the BCM will enter Charge Mode for 2-3 minutes. The BCM will then determine which mode to enter depending on voltage requirements. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGE MODE The BCM will enter Charge Mode when ever one of the following conditions are met. The wipers are ON for more than 3 seconds. GMLAN (Climate Control Voltage Boost Mode Request) is true, as sensed by the HVAC control head. High speed cooling fan, rear defogger and HVAC high speed blower operation can cause the BCM to enter the Charge Mode. The estimated battery temperature is less than 0°C (32°F). Battery State of Charge is less than 80 percent. Vehicle speed is greater than 145 km/h (90 mph) Current sensor fault exists. System voltage was determined to be below 12.56 V When any one of these conditions is met, the system will set targeted generator output voltage to a charging voltage between 13.9-15.5 V, depending on the battery state of charge and estimated battery temperature. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > FUEL ECONOMY MODE The BCM will enter Fuel Economy Mode when the estimated battery temperature is at least 0°C (32°F) but less than or equal to 80°C (176°F), the calculated battery current is less than 15 amperes and greater than -8 amperes, and the battery state-of-charge is greater than or equal to 80 percent. Its targeted generator output voltage is the open circuit voltage of the battery and can be between 12.5-13.1 V. The BCM will exit this mode and enter Charge Mode when any of the conditions described above are present. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > HEAD LAMP MODE The BCM will enter Head lamp Mode when ever the head lamps are ON (high or low beams). Voltage will be regulated between 13.9-14.5 V. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > START UP MODE When the engine is started the BCM sets a targeted generator output voltage of 14.5 V for 30 seconds. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > TOW/HAUL MODE Pressing the Tow/Haul Mode button located on the center stack, the vehicle system voltage is raised and the remote(non-vehicle) battery will be charged. Having the headlights on will raise the system voltage and if the Tow/Haul button is applied it will not serve any purpose. The voltage is regulated between 13.9-14.5 V. DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > CHARGING SYSTEM DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION > INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER OPERATION Charge Indicator Operation The instrument panel cluster illuminates the charge indicator and displays a warning message in the driver information center if equipped, when the one or more of the following occurs: The engine control module (ECM) detects that the generator output is less than 11 V or greater than 16 V. The instrument panel cluster receives a GMLAN message from the ECM requesting illumination. The instrument panel cluster determines that the system voltage is less than 11 V or greater than 16 V for more than 30 seconds. The instrument panel cluster receives a GMLAN message from the body control module (BCM) indicating there is a system voltage range concern. The instrument panel cluster performs the displays test at the start of each ignition cycle. The indicator illuminates for approximately 3 seconds. Display Message: BATTERY NOT CHARGING SERVICE CHARGING SYSTEM or SERVICE BATTERY CHARGING SYSTEM The BCM and the ECM will send a serial data message to the driver information center for the BATTERY NOT CHARGING SERVICE CHARGING SYSTEM or SERVICE BATTERY CHARGING SYSTEM message to be displayed. It is commanded ON when a charging system DTC is a current DTC. The message is turned OFF when the conditions for clearing the DTC have been met. |
08-15-2021, 09:41 AM | #14 |
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Yup we needed not one but TWO posts with mostly about nothing to do with the charging system which can very succinctly be stated as charging on demand.
Simply stated the system will charge when it needs to at about 12.1 volts and charges up to 14.2 volts.
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