Homepage Garage Wiki Register Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > CAMARO6.com General Forums > Member Car Journals


Bigwormgraphix


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-15-2021, 10:55 AM   #1
BlaqWhole
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,692
My build is almost complete!!

It's been quite some time since I dropped off my ZL1 to get modded and there were a few snags and delays along the way. But it is just about finished. It was on the dyno a few days ago and I got some numbers. But I opted to go for a little bit more. Here is where I am at.

Build includes: Whipple 2.9 (originally I planned for the Maggie 2650 but we had issues getting one).
TSP stage 2 cam (DOD delete).
PRC ported heads.
TSP 2 inch LTs.
Full 3 inch exhaust (MBRP Race catback).
Big Gulp intake.
NW 103mm TB.
DSX Aux pump.
Flex Fuel setup.
93 Octane tune, 100 Octane tune, Flex Fuel tune.
Other ancillary items (plugs, etc...)

So aiming for the Heavens I was hoping for 850-ish to the wheels on 93 octane and closer to 900 on 100 octane. I dream big. I'll be happy tho with 800-ish on 93 and 850s on 100. On the dyno so far we hit 730s to the wheels but the pull was in 6th and that was with the lower than expected boost (I believe it was just under 15 psi). I wanted to squeeze a bit more boost out so we ordered another pulley and belt and will see what that gets us.

I'm aware that 7th is the 1:1 ratio and ideal for pulls but we have to go with 6th due to restrictions with the dyno. So I'm guessing that is costing me some power...maybe around 30. The new pulley should get me to right about 16 which should squeeze out a bit more. I'm guessing that if the pull is in 7th then I'd be seeing high 700s on 93. As it is I'm guessing mid 700s with the extra pulley and the 6th gear pull. The 100 octane pull should be high 700s but I am hoping to break the 800 mark with 100 octane in 6th.

I am also having an E85 setup and tune added in with a gauge. I'm thinking that will be good for high 700s on E30-40...?? Guesses??

Hopefully it will all be buttoned up today or tomorrow. If not then early next week. I'd like to see some guesses on my final numbers. I will update as soon as I get them.

Also, in NJ we have 93 octane everywhere. However I am in Nebraska for a work assignment and will likely have the car out here for a few months to a year. In Omaha the max is 91 octane. Any suggestions on octane boosters that are safe and reliable? I might just get a 91 octane tune added in for safety. Ideas??
BlaqWhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 01:35 PM   #2
IneedAZ


 
IneedAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 5,055
only issue with the parts i see unless things changed since i did my build last year is the TSP cams having 32% fuel lobe instead of the 38% like BTR. Your build is very similar to mine except i didn't do the ported heads and of course mine is 2650. I am seeing e30 as doable. My Fueling on both sides is holding well. My Inj pulse width is in the 5.9-6.2 range on e32. Still trying to dial in the Lambda...i seem to be .84 to .86 range. Only regret was not doing the 30 over injectors, but they are so damn expensive.
__________________
Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup

Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS.

2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17
2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47**

Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver

Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive
IneedAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 01:37 PM   #3
IneedAZ


 
IneedAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 5,055
Forgot to mention you will want to do a lower pulley too as i didn't see it on the list of parts if u really want those kind of numbers without adding Meth to the mix. I chose not to use Meth for my build. I will do injectors before doing meth.
__________________
Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup

Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS.

2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17
2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47**

Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver

Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive
IneedAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 01:39 PM   #4
JSH

 
JSH's Avatar
 
Drives: '20 ZLE A10
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 2,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by IneedAZ View Post
only issue with the parts i see unless things changed since i did my build last year is the TSP cams having 32% fuel lobe instead of the 38% like BTR. Your build is very similar to mine except i didn't do the ported heads and of course mine is 2650. I am seeing e30 as doable. My Fueling on both sides is holding well. My Inj pulse width is in the 5.9-6.2 range on e32. Still trying to dial in the Lambda...i seem to be .84 to .86 range. Only regret was not doing the 30 over injectors, but they are so damn expensive.
Which fuel pump? I'm not seeing it. LPE Big Bore?
__________________
OEM short block, custom long block
KongX, NW103, Sunoco GT100/260 GT Plus
1.60/10.56/131 @ 8043 DA (9 runs so far); 3735# w/o driver
In-progress:
Kong Ported EForce TVS2650; LPE BBDI FP; XDI +30; AEM X WB; 3"/8.8";
A few previous cars:
2016 GTR
2013 GTR
2011 BMW M3
2006 Haas GTO, w/Sonny's 742cid (6.52/212 Phoenix)
2001 LS1 Procharger/N2O (9.90 Denver)
JSH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 01:58 PM   #5
IneedAZ


 
IneedAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 5,055
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSH View Post
Which fuel pump? I'm not seeing it. LPE Big Bore?
me or Blaq? I didn't do high side. I did do the Lingenfelter high flow check valve, but that is low side as well. Another item to add to the list Blaq! I wish while the blower was off i did the 30% injectors. Doubt i would have done the Big Bore pump..Very expensive for only up to 10% flow increase on LT4s. I would think the injectors is more bang for the buck.
__________________
Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup

Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS.

2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17
2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47**

Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver

Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive
IneedAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 02:56 PM   #6
BlaqWhole
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,692
Quote:
Originally Posted by IneedAZ View Post
only issue with the parts i see unless things changed since i did my build last year is the TSP cams having 32% fuel lobe instead of the 38% like BTR. Your build is very similar to mine except i didn't do the ported heads and of course mine is 2650. I am seeing e30 as doable. My Fueling on both sides is holding well. My Inj pulse width is in the 5.9-6.2 range on e32. Still trying to dial in the Lambda...i seem to be .84 to .86 range. Only regret was not doing the 30 over injectors, but they are so damn expensive.
Yea I saw your thread where you were talking about the fuel lobe. I do think mine is 32%. I hope that doesn't give me any issues.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IneedAZ View Post
Forgot to mention you will want to do a lower pulley too as i didn't see it on the list of parts if u really want those kind of numbers without adding Meth to the mix. I chose not to use Meth for my build. I will do injectors before doing meth.
Yes I have the ATI balancer. They were able to get me to 16 psi boost with the smaller upper pulley in combination with the ATI balancer. So far we are at 740 RWHP. I should have final numbers later today. I'm hoping to be over 750 RWHP on 93 and break into the 800s on race gas.

Again my numbers are in 6th gear which is about 30 HP lower than 7th.
BlaqWhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 02:58 PM   #7
BlaqWhole
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,692
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSH View Post
Which fuel pump? I'm not seeing it. LPE Big Bore?
Quote:
Originally Posted by IneedAZ View Post
me or Blaq? I didn't do high side. I did do the Lingenfelter high flow check valve, but that is low side as well. Another item to add to the list Blaq! I wish while the blower was off i did the 30% injectors. Doubt i would have done the Big Bore pump..Very expensive for only up to 10% flow increase on LT4s. I would think the injectors is more bang for the buck.
I have the DSX Aux pump.
BlaqWhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 04:29 PM   #8
IneedAZ


 
IneedAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 5,055
Pretty much same here..I am in the 15/16 boost range. I think your goal is doable with ur parts list. And as I have learned depending on what afr/lambda the tuner uses. At .8 Lambda I was 801rwhp on 100 octane, but after retune and at .88 Lambda 805 on 93. On e47 was 848rwhp but manifold Temps were high in 165 range. My end game is e30 without doing high side.
__________________
Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup

Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS.

2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17
2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47**

Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver

Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive
IneedAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 07:21 PM   #9
BlaqWhole
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,692
Quote:
Originally Posted by IneedAZ View Post
Pretty much same here..I am in the 15/16 boost range. I think your goal is doable with ur parts list. And as I have learned depending on what afr/lambda the tuner uses. At .8 Lambda I was 801rwhp on 100 octane, but after retune and at .88 Lambda 805 on 93. On e47 was 848rwhp but manifold Temps were high in 165 range. My end game is e30 without doing high side.
Is .88 a little too aggressive? Or is it ok because of DFI?
BlaqWhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 08:36 PM   #10
IneedAZ


 
IneedAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 5,055
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaqWhole View Post
Is .88 a little too aggressive? Or is it ok because of DFI?
Depends on who you talk to since 99% on this forum say too lean, but can't say there is any data to prove them right. I have been readjusting mine to be in the .84 to .87 range while at e30. My fuel pressure on both low and high side have been good and steady. Inj pulse width based on a log from tonight was 5.7 to 6.1 range. On 93 octane it was 5.0 to 5.2.. My reason to run e30 is the cooling benefit plus being able to get same or better gain and can stop having to add boostane.
__________________
Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup

Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS.

2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17
2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47**

Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver

Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive
IneedAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2021, 08:42 PM   #11
IneedAZ


 
IneedAZ's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tampa
Posts: 5,055
This guy did mine..if you forward to 9min mark he mentioned what afr he likes for LT4s. This is not my car.
https://youtu.be/rqQ5cNQVeX8
__________________
Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup

Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS.

2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17
2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47**

Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver

Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive
IneedAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2021, 01:06 AM   #12
Camaro1973

 
Camaro1973's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 ZL1
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,319
Quote:
Originally Posted by IneedAZ View Post
only issue with the parts i see unless things changed since i did my build last year is the TSP cams having 32% fuel lobe instead of the 38% like BTR. Your build is very similar to mine except i didn't do the ported heads and of course mine is 2650. I am seeing e30 as doable. My Fueling on both sides is holding well. My Inj pulse width is in the 5.9-6.2 range on e32. Still trying to dial in the Lambda...i seem to be .84 to .86 range. Only regret was not doing the 30 over injectors, but they are so damn expensive.
There’s a reason why the 32% lobe is more common. There’s been reported pump issues/failures running higher, so most stick with 32% as it’s the safest.
__________________
815rwhp/760rwtq - 93 | 850rwhp/765rwrq - E40 SAE

Magnuson 2650 90mm upper w/13% lower (9.06)
CSP Big Boy Cam w/32% fuel lobe
Heads done by LME (Full new Valvetrain)
NW 103mm TB
Roto Fab Big Gulp
CSP 2" Headers w/Green GESI Gen 2 Cats
Borla 3" Full Cat Back w/ S-Type
Mighty Mouse Wild Catch Can
Custom Holley Low side Fuel system
Forced Inductions Interchiller w/2 gallon fender tank.
Camaro1973 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2021, 01:10 AM   #13
Camaro1973

 
Camaro1973's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 ZL1
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,319
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaqWhole View Post
It's been quite some time since I dropped off my ZL1 to get modded and there were a few snags and delays along the way. But it is just about finished. It was on the dyno a few days ago and I got some numbers. But I opted to go for a little bit more. Here is where I am at.

Build includes: Whipple 2.9 (originally I planned for the Maggie 2650 but we had issues getting one).
TSP stage 2 cam (DOD delete).
PRC ported heads.
TSP 2 inch LTs.
Full 3 inch exhaust (MBRP Race catback).
Big Gulp intake.
NW 103mm TB.
DSX Aux pump.
Flex Fuel setup.
93 Octane tune, 100 Octane tune, Flex Fuel tune.
Other ancillary items (plugs, etc...)

So aiming for the Heavens I was hoping for 850-ish to the wheels on 93 octane and closer to 900 on 100 octane. I dream big. I'll be happy tho with 800-ish on 93 and 850s on 100. On the dyno so far we hit 730s to the wheels but the pull was in 6th and that was with the lower than expected boost (I believe it was just under 15 psi). I wanted to squeeze a bit more boost out so we ordered another pulley and belt and will see what that gets us.

I'm aware that 7th is the 1:1 ratio and ideal for pulls but we have to go with 6th due to restrictions with the dyno. So I'm guessing that is costing me some power...maybe around 30. The new pulley should get me to right about 16 which should squeeze out a bit more. I'm guessing that if the pull is in 7th then I'd be seeing high 700s on 93. As it is I'm guessing mid 700s with the extra pulley and the 6th gear pull. The 100 octane pull should be high 700s but I am hoping to break the 800 mark with 100 octane in 6th.

I am also having an E85 setup and tune added in with a gauge. I'm thinking that will be good for high 700s on E30-40...?? Guesses??

Hopefully it will all be buttoned up today or tomorrow. If not then early next week. I'd like to see some guesses on my final numbers. I will update as soon as I get them.

Also, in NJ we have 93 octane everywhere. However I am in Nebraska for a work assignment and will likely have the car out here for a few months to a year. In Omaha the max is 91 octane. Any suggestions on octane boosters that are safe and reliable? I might just get a 91 octane tune added in for safety. Ideas??
Run some boostane, torco, racegas etc. or if there’s real race gas you can mix some in.
__________________
815rwhp/760rwtq - 93 | 850rwhp/765rwrq - E40 SAE

Magnuson 2650 90mm upper w/13% lower (9.06)
CSP Big Boy Cam w/32% fuel lobe
Heads done by LME (Full new Valvetrain)
NW 103mm TB
Roto Fab Big Gulp
CSP 2" Headers w/Green GESI Gen 2 Cats
Borla 3" Full Cat Back w/ S-Type
Mighty Mouse Wild Catch Can
Custom Holley Low side Fuel system
Forced Inductions Interchiller w/2 gallon fender tank.
Camaro1973 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2021, 02:40 PM   #14
BlaqWhole
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,692
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro1973 View Post
Run some boostane, torco, racegas etc. or if there’s real race gas you can mix some in.
I did a search for race gas but it seems there are no stations close to me in Nebraska that have it. This wouldn't be an issue if I was in Jersey, lol!!

I'll look into the Boostane and Torco. But will it be enough to bring 91 octane up to 93? I figure a full tank out here will probably last me about 2 months. I figure I DD my truck and I filled up around Sept 24th and didn't have to refill it again until a couple days ago. So my ZL1 which won't be my DD will probably last much longer.
BlaqWhole is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.