[DWR]

Only way I’d be alright with it is if it was electric assist with a v8 still for a bit more llama-thrust. Otherwise, no thanks… Still think my 1LE will be a lifetime keeper

[redcoats1976]

truth be told i think the elite want all the common folk on bicycles.ironic since china with its huge population is moving the other way...

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

Well you have the 4-cylinder so it was already obvious that you don't care about torque.

if you cared about torque the electric vehicles have it,from zero RPM onwards.i just cant see them taking over completely for 25 more years.according to greta that will be too late...but we dont have the generating capacity to support the power demand,or the lithium,or the recycling facilities yet.maybe dialithium crystals?i can see captain kirk and scotty cruising woodward in the year 2100 now.more power scotty,we gotta pull away from the klingons in this e-charger...i canna give you more power,captain,shes gonna break up

[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

if you cared about torque the electric vehicles have it,from zero RPM onwards.i just cant see them taking over completely for 25 more years.according to greta that will be too late...but we dont have the generating capacity to support the power demand,or the lithium,or the recycling facilities yet.maybe dialithium crystals?i can see captain kirk and scotty cruising woodward in the year 2100 now.more power scotty,we gotta pull away from the klingons in this e-charger...i canna give you more power,captain,shes gonna break up

A lot of people like the torque but don't know it, "Horsepower sells cars, but Torque wins races". I still don't think everyone is going to magically get an EV in their driveway at the same time. It's going to be gradual. People will still need to rely on their good ole ICE vehicles. The move is going to be gradual, and the growing pains will hopefully be mitigated by the slow roll out. Hell, how many people are out on the road right now in 10+ year old vehicles? I still don't buy the extremist bullshit view that they're going to just start rounding people up that try to buy gas at a black-market gas station, just like I didn't buy the bullshit about a mob going house to house to collect everyone's guns, or the bullshit about birds being government surveillance devices. At some point we need to stop thinking that we're a part of a Tom Clancy novel. Now if you'll excuse me, my 2nd Moderna Covid shot needs to download its latest update...

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

And you’re doom and gloom……

You’re assuming people wouldn’t set charging time for off peak hours for lower electricity rates. You are acting you need to set the charging time every time you plug in. You don’t. Once you tell the car to charge at 1 am, it will remember it all the time. So every night people come home, plug in, go to dinner, and car won’t charge until 1 am. It’s not that hard and the aspect of saving money will be more than enough motivation for people to take the 30 seconds one time to set charging time.

What your type typically calls "doom and gloom" is to the rest of us being realistic. The key to your utopian electrical sharing world is that "you tell the car when to charge". Where I live the electric company begs us to not to run dishwashers, clothes dryers, etc. during peak use times to prevent brownouts and you're counting on people programming their cars to charge at a certain time? Yikes!

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

What your type typically calls "doom and gloom" is to the rest of us being realistic. The key to your utopian electrical sharing world is that "you tell the car when to charge". Where I live the electric company begs us to not to run dishwashers, clothes dryers, etc. during peak use times to prevent brownouts and you're counting on people programming their cars to charge at a certain time? Yikes!

I agree it is realistic my parents in Connecticut their town is the same way and they have random power flickers many times during the summer months with everyone having the AC on. That being said the town they live in tends to have random power outages throughout the year that the only answer they get is they are aware of the issue and are repairing it.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

Instant torque is what gets you going, so I'm not sure why you consider it a novelty. If you didn't care about torque, then you wouldn't want to merge the highway or pull into traffic.

Your worry about the electric grid being like an old house where you can't plug in two electric heaters in the same room without blowing a fuse is nonsense. But you do at least have a point that the electric grid needs to be overhauled, not just for volume, but for security. We've had a lot of attempts (some successful) to get into our system by bad actors, and that should have you more worried than thinking that everyone is going to hop onto EVs and plug everything at the same time. You are assuming that everyone is going to dump their ICE at the same time, which is highly unlikely.

I really, really understand what torque is for. I also understand the role of transmissions and gearing and that other good stuff. What you don't understand is my lack of interest in driving an appliance instead of a car.

If you think the electrical grid issues we are facing equate to "plugging in two appliances into the same circuit", then I guess we aren't seeing the same picture. Again, I base my opinion on the PROJECTED rollouts/requirements for EV's. I actually don't believe those will come close to happening and places like CA & WA will be forced to rescind their ICE bans. If companies like GM really place all their eggs in the EV basket to quickly they may be in a world of hurt.

[DWR]

I’ll just say this… If I’m not mistaken they predicted we would run out of oil, what, 30 years ago? 10 years ago they said we only had 10 years left, now they just say its bad for the environment? I think they just have no clue or its all a political agenda, most likely both. At the end of the day… look at what lithium mines do to the land vs oil fields… and how they are charged… it’s all BS in the end

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by DWR

I’ll just say this… If I’m not mistaken they predicted we would run out of oil, what, 30 years ago? 10 years ago they said we only had 10 years left, now they just say its bad for the environment? I think they just have no clue or its all a political agenda, most likely both. At the end of the day… look at what lithium mines do to the land vs oil fields… and how they are charged… it’s all BS in the end

It truly is a tragic irony that the technology that is going to save us from that dirty shit we pump out of the ground turns 8 tons of clean, fresh water into toxic sludge in order to produce one pound of lithium.

Fortunately for the "Environmentalists", most of this carnage happens in remote places where they can pretend it's not a big deal.

[Alan47717]

As final thought, at least from me, on this subject is to look at all of these "We will be 100% EV by 20XX" projections and remember Volvo has been revising their 100% EV every couple of years. I think they started at 2023 around eight years ago and they are out to 2030 something now.

[gpskinzhut]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Is there even a speck of evidence that points that this is likely to happen? And if so, who implements it and who benefits from it?

Couldn’t tell ya, as I’ve said a couple times here it’s all theoretical and depend on who’s in control.

[DWR]

Originally Posted by Alan47717

It truly is a tragic irony that the technology that is going to save us from that dirty shit we pump out of the ground turns 8 tons of clean, fresh water into toxic sludge in order to produce one pound of lithium.

Fortunately for the "Environmentalists", most of this carnage happens in remote places where they can pretend it's not a big deal.

Exactly my friend

Out of sight, out of mind I guess… kind of hard to see with your head up your bum either way

[Martinjlm]

Meanwhile, the shift from oil to electrons continues full speed ahead.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...for-ev-upgrade

[Need4Camaro]

It's just super irritating to me. The only reason I'm considering an EV is for the tax break because I need a write off, otherwise its not something I'm remotely interested in.