[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea I don't ever hear complaints from the ZL1 owners. If anything, those who had harsh complaints change their tune once they get into a Z. For what you pay the overall quality of the interior and the materials used is a bargain.

Agreed. For the price of a fully loaded 2SS, they should have come with the same quality as the ZL1. I say that factoring in that a base M6 trans ZL1 with no extras costs low $60K vs a fully dressed 2SS being in the high $50K range. The price difference could easily be attributed to the LT4, upgraded trans, etc. Therefore I think GM would have done well to make the 2SS interior the same as the ZL1.

Originally Posted by hotlap

I have a 2SS 1LE. What difference is there compared to a ZL1 interior?

My understanding is that the ZL1 has as silver start button, alcantara on the dash and door panels. Otherwise they are the same. (all my 2SS have had the black suede knee bolsters).

My Hot Wheels had alcantara on the dash and door panels. I prefer the look of the leather.

Yeah, the 2SS interior is the same as the ZL1 minus the start button, with plush [faux] leather on non-1LE and alcantara on 1LE cars. What I meant is all the hard plastic that is the same on all trims: the center console with the cupholders, the door cards, the top of the dash, B and C pillar covers. And of course nobody would realistically expect Bentley level of detail, just some softer padded pieces like those on my wife's Traverse with a nice soft dash panel.

Again, I'm not complaining, it's just too easy to see where GM saved a few bucks, and what I'm saying is there certainly are people who would've either paid for a "higher interior quality" option or bought the Camaro instead of something else. Can I prove all this with hard data? No, mostly because this was never even an option, but also this is a forum after all, not the internal chat tool of GM's design or marketing department

[hotlap]

This was my 16 2SS in Kalahari. My wife called it a gentleman’s hot-rod. Nightfall Gray paint

This was the 18 2SS Hot Wheels with black suede knee bolsters.

This was the Hot Wheels with the OE knee bolsters. I put them back on when I sold it.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yeah, the 2SS interior is the same as the ZL1 minus the start button, with plush [faux] leather on non-1LE and alcantara on 1LE cars. What I meant is all the hard plastic that is the same on all trims: the center console with the cupholders, the door cards, the top of the dash, B and C pillar covers. And of course nobody would realistically expect Bentley level of detail, just some softer padded pieces like those on my wife's Traverse with a nice soft dash panel.

Again, I'm not complaining, it's just too easy to see where GM saved a few bucks, and what I'm saying is there certainly are people who would've either paid for a "higher interior quality" option or bought the Camaro instead of something else. Can I prove all this with hard data? No, mostly because this was never even an option, but also this is a forum after all, not the internal chat tool of GM's design or marketing department

I would pay even more at the 2SS level for more upscale quality. My 13 ZL1 was a Revel model kit interior by comparison so I don’t have a problem with the gen6.

[BlaqWhole]

I was going off what I saw in the 1SS I test drove in 2017 when I signed for my ZL1. And I guess I misunderstood what arpad was saying.

Again a lot of these complaints are from those with the lower trim Camaros. What they don't realize is that the manufacturers have to make concessions in order for the lower tier cars to remain affordable. Or at least to justify the price. If the LT1 and 1SS both had interiors like the 2SS and ZL1 then that would probably bring the price up to where it would not be worth buying those trim levels. Same with the Base GT. If it had a better interior then it would compete with the price of the Premium or the 401a option package and that will make it out of the price range of most GT buyers as well as making it unappealing since you might as well just upgrade to the Premium at that point.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yeah, the 2SS interior is the same as the ZL1 minus the start button, with plush [faux] leather on non-1LE and alcantara on 1LE cars. What I meant is all the hard plastic that is the same on all trims: the center console with the cupholders, the door cards, the top of the dash, B and C pillar covers. And of course nobody would realistically expect Bentley level of detail, just some softer padded pieces like those on my wife's Traverse with a nice soft dash panel.

Again, I'm not complaining, it's just too easy to see where GM saved a few bucks, and what I'm saying is there certainly are people who would've either paid for a "higher interior quality" option or bought the Camaro instead of something else. Can I prove all this with hard data? No, mostly because this was never even an option, but also this is a forum after all, not the internal chat tool of GM's design or marketing department

This provides some prospective. The base 1LS interior

[willzilla]

Originally Posted by hotlap

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Where is the Alcantara center console lid from? My 21 ZL1 came with a leather w/red stitching center console lid... Wish it was Alcantara, lol.

EDIT: Now I see.. Hot Wheels edition with orange stitching.. dang. If I could get that EXACT center console lid with RED stitching I would buy one ASAP :-/

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by willzilla

Where is the Alcantara center console lid from? My 21 ZL1 came with a leather w/red stitching center console lid... Wish it was Alcantara, lol.

EDIT: Now I see.. Hot Wheels edition with orange stitching.. dang. If I could get that EXACT center console lid with RED stitching I would buy one ASAP :-/

This one could be an option: https://accessories.chevrolet.com/pr...tegoryId=12003—what do you think?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by willzilla

Where is the Alcantara center console lid from? My 21 ZL1 came with a leather w/red stitching center console lid... Wish it was Alcantara, lol.

EDIT: Now I see.. Hot Wheels edition with orange stitching.. dang. If I could get that EXACT center console lid with RED stitching I would buy one ASAP :-/

Yes. The Hot Wheels came with Alcantara on the console, dash, doors and steering wheel. I changed the knee bolsters.

I like the feel of Alcantara on the steering wheel. I didn't like the look on the dash. The console required brushing to keep it fresh looking so I prefer the leather ones there.

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by willzilla

Where is the Alcantara center console lid from? My 21 ZL1 came with a leather w/red stitching center console lid... Wish it was Alcantara, lol.

EDIT: Now I see.. Hot Wheels edition with orange stitching.. dang. If I could get that EXACT center console lid with RED stitching I would buy one ASAP :-/

i can make you one! ill pm you

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I've noticed gen6 reviews that complain about the interior material quality are always 1LE with 1SS trim.

The 1SS has big chunks of plastic for knee bolsters on the console and door panels and all the 2SS upgrades are missing.

Drop down to a non-1LE and the quality drops another level.

This picture shows the plastic knee bolsters that I was referring to in the post above.

The 1LE reviews are always 1SS cars and then they complain about the quality of the interior. The 2SS environment is pretty nice IMO.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The 1LE reviews are always 1SS cars and then they complain about the quality of the interior. The 2SS environment is pretty nice IMO.

And it's only 8lbs more!

I had to have the heated wheel and seats. Reynaud's dictates that. But the blind-spot detection is also good. While you can properly adjust your mirrors to see the blind spots, it's still not 100% and it's nice to have those aids (and rear cross traffic) in such a visibility limited car. That does a lot to equalize it with other cars and their better visibility. The other touches are nice. The interior lighting is cool.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

And it's only 8lbs more!

I had to have the heated wheel and seats. Reynaud's dictates that. But the blind-spot detection is also good. While you can properly adjust your mirrors to see the blind spots, it's still not 100% and it's nice to have those aids (and rear cross traffic) in such a visibility limited car. That does a lot to equalize it with other cars and their better visibility. The other touches are nice. The interior lighting is cool.

[willzilla]

Originally Posted by hotlap

This picture shows the plastic knee bolsters that I was referring to in the post above.

The 1LE reviews are always 1SS cars and then they complain about the quality of the interior. The 2SS environment is pretty nice IMO.

Yeah, the plastic knee bolsters are pretty horrible. They come with the 1SS?? Figured those would be the base lowest trim ONLY. 1SS should get leather bolsters at least, sheesh.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I never really paid much attention to this, but looking at the weight chart you attached, it seems the A10 adds an extra ~50 pounds on top of the A8. The manual 1SS has the same weight as the 2018, while the auto 1SS is 50 pounds heavier than its 2018 counterpart, quite interesting.

My 2018 2SS auto has a curb weight of "only" 3697 lbs, so I could probably beat even those nifty new A10 cars, haha. I mean if my car was stock, of course.