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Old 08-23-2019, 11:48 PM   #1
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19 Zl1 A10 vs 19 Zl1 1le A10

Dig and roll racing, which would come out on top the regular zl1 A10 or the zlE A10?
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Old 08-24-2019, 12:47 AM   #2
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I guess you have no common sense. One has more aero that will slow it down. Sorry see a dumb question gotta make it known
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:29 AM   #3
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It would be very close if not dead even. Driver would play a big part in it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:59 AM   #4
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Who cares? All that matters is the A10 so you don't get beaten by a mustang gt and have the video posted on YouTube so then all the mustang trolls think is faster.
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Old 08-24-2019, 08:06 AM   #5
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From a dig, I would think that the better tire of the ZLE would give it the advantage of getting off the line faster. After some higher speeds the ZLE would start to slow down due to drag from the arrow. I think it’ll be close.

From a roll, the ZL1’would take it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:07 AM   #6
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From a dig, I would think that the better tire of the ZLE would give it the advantage of getting off the line faster. After some higher speeds the ZLE would start to slow down due to drag from the arrow. I think it’ll be close.

From a roll, the ZL1’would take it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:08 AM   #7
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I guess you have no common sense. One has more aero that will slow it down. Sorry see a dumb question gotta make it known
Not everyone is an Aerodynamics expert, like yourself. The OP is just trying to learn - like everyone else on here. But, since we have an expert present, can you elaborate a little more and explain to everyone the differences in the drag-coefficient between the 2 models? At what speed does the additional aero and downforce really begin to hamper the ZLE? If you could explain it using formulaic expressions, that would be incredibly helpful - I'm a visual learner and really need to see the math in order to understand such elementary, common sense concepts.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:13 AM   #8
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Not everyone is an Aerodynamics expert, like yourself. The OP is just trying to learn - like everyone else on here. But, since we have an expert present, can you elaborate a little more and explain to everyone the differences in the drag-coefficient between the 2 models? At what speed does the additional aero and downforce really begin to hamper the ZLE? If you could explain it using formulaic expressions, that would be incredibly helpful - I'm a visual learner and really need to see the math in order to understand such elementary, common sense concepts.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:09 AM   #9
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Not everyone is an Aerodynamics expert, like yourself. The OP is just trying to learn - like everyone else on here. But, since we have an expert present, can you elaborate a little more and explain to everyone the differences in the drag-coefficient between the 2 models? At what speed does the additional aero and downforce really begin to hamper the ZLE? If you could explain it using formulaic expressions, that would be incredibly helpful - I'm a visual learner and really need to see the math in order to understand such elementary, common sense concepts.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:27 AM   #10
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You have to think the sticky bigger tire of the e would have to give an edge outta the hole...I don't know enough where the added downforce would come into play for the z to catch up, but guessing it would start kicking in around a 100mph or so.

I'm not a 1/4 guy but do see where many mention tour mode is an asset so not sure how much suspension would come into play...kinda splitting hairs between the two but kinda fun to think of the minor differences in this application.
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Old 08-24-2019, 12:16 PM   #11
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It would be very close if not dead even. Driver would play a big part in it.
+1 this. Dig/drag racing to the 1/4 will be more driver limited than anything. But once the driver is no longer a factor, it will be traction. 1LE's wider rear and stickier rubber will benefit traction the most. The stiffer 1LE suspension will limit weight transfer a bit, but this penalty will be smaller than the benefit from the tires.

30 roll and maybe even up to 60 roll will be driver first (jump), then traction next.

The 1LE's drag limit will not come into play until you're above 130 mph or so. And outside of doing 1/2mi and 1mi events you're never going to get to where aero would ever come into play, IMO.

The top speed is aero limited for sure:
  • Wider front tiers = slower (more drag)
  • Canards = slower (more drag)
  • Bigger rear wing = slower (more drag)
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Old 08-24-2019, 04:37 PM   #12
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The more aggressive tuning of the A10 in the ZL1 1LE will have it win slightly on a roll run.
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Old 08-24-2019, 05:14 PM   #13
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I wonder how many A10 E owners are going to wring them out at the strip in stock form...I guess this would really help nail it down in time.
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:53 PM   #14
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+1 this. Dig/drag racing to the 1/4 will be more driver limited than anything. But once the driver is no longer a factor, it will be traction. 1LE's wider rear and stickier rubber will benefit traction the most. The stiffer 1LE suspension will limit weight transfer a bit, but this penalty will be smaller than the benefit from the tires.

30 roll and maybe even up to 60 roll will be driver first (jump), then traction next.

The 1LE's drag limit will not come into play until you're above 130 mph or so. And outside of doing 1/2mi and 1mi events you're never going to get to where aero would ever come into play, IMO.

The top speed is aero limited for sure:
  • Wider front tiers = slower (more drag)
  • Canards = slower (more drag)
  • Bigger rear wing = slower (more drag)
The 1/4 mile is a driver's race anything after that, the 1LE will lose. The tires area an advantage but also less of an advantage at the same time.

Wider tires are good for traction but bad in a straight line only race. The have more mass that need to be rotated.

You want a straight line Camaro? Go with the ZL1. You want a road course monster, go with the 1LE.
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