11-16-2020, 10:57 AM | #7841 | |
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IMO GT PP1 fine if it's used mostly as a street car and you are just having fun on the tracks without worrying about lap times. When I was at the open lapping day, there was a GT PP1. Held up just fine at that event. I am not a fan of the Challenger handling but dang that Hellcat supercharger whine is insane. I rode in my friend's Hellcat Charger and that's when I slightly wish I have a ZL1, haha. Sent from toaster or something
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11-16-2020, 01:30 PM | #7842 | |
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I immediately dropped 6 seconds at Pitt Race when i switched from the Hellcat to the Camaro and my best is now 11 seconds faster than my best ever was in the Hellcat. Without drag radials the Hellcat ABSOLUTELY does not put the power down well. I bet your 1000hp kitty with Mucho Machos will lose to a stock one on DRs in the 1/4. But you only internet race so we will never know. |
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11-16-2020, 03:01 PM | #7843 |
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Certainly confirmed what I thought. I am very curious how the Tremec in the Hellcat shifts compared to the ZL1. I know they aren't the same, and the Tremec in the Camaro has received such high praise. Im not sure which I will like more, the Camaro is more in line with what I chase in a sports car but the Hellcat is so awesome, last muscle car, and the practicality makes a lot of sense for me. Pretty much will come down to the test drive I'm sure. They are both great cars but for different reasons.
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11-16-2020, 04:59 PM | #7845 | |
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Anyway, I would choose a ZL1 over a Hellcat every day of the week. Just my 2 cents. 600+ lbs lighter, wider rear tires, better weight distribution, and a lower center of gravity. I do like the look of the Challenger Hellcat quite a bit (except for straight on from the rear, it's shape from the rear reminds me of a truck), but it's a 700+ hp car that only traps 125-127 mph in the 1/4 mile and despite what Blaq says, doesn't put that power down well. It's physics - poor front to rear weight distribution + a lot of weight + RWD = low traction (relative to a better balanced car with similar tires). Blaq's comment about Mustangs not putting power down well is off, too, at least based on my own experience with my car. My A10 PP1 (with MagneRide) 2018 GT puts the power down pretty well (when the street isn't cold on the summer tires of course). Anyway, good luck w/ your search. I like all the pony/muscle cars so the more of them on the road, the merrier IMO.
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11-16-2020, 05:42 PM | #7846 | |
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In my view, and my wants, Ford doesn't offer anything with a manual to compete with the M6 ZL1 and M6 HC WB.
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11-16-2020, 05:58 PM | #7847 | |
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11-16-2020, 08:11 PM | #7848 | |
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The Mach 1 is the Mustang I would have built for myself actually, it's the manual 5.0 that should have been around a long time ago. Its a true competitor to the 1LE IMO, I could see myself buying either one without feeling like I compromised somewhere with either choice. If I could buy a Mach 1 for what i could buy a 1LE for or reasonably close, then it would be on the list too. Heck, Im definitely going to test drive both Im just not confident I would get a good enough deal to land me in a Mach 1.
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11-16-2020, 08:45 PM | #7849 | ||
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I was shocked to learn that it was stock. It's very loud and I love it.
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That said, the OEM tires aren't that good when I talked to my friend with the Hellcat Charger. He said whatever Pirelli tires these cars come stock with are pretty garbage. Another tricky thing is that, on the Demon, if you do get drag radials, your rear axles aren't gonna like you very much. I would think this applies to a modded Hellcat as well. It has been mentioned before but the 3 ponies all have different emphasis. Challenger/Charger is a powerful GT car, Camaro blurred the line between pony cars and sports cars while Mustang is in between the two. But yes, not wrong answer to any of them, just depends on what you are looking for. Quote:
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It really is. The sounds that thing makes are incredible, and from what I can tell make for an out of this world experience. That is really why it is on the list, all I have seen are youtube videos, but i can tell it makes for an amazing driving experience and everyone seems to love their M6 HC's.
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11-17-2020, 09:06 AM | #7854 |
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The few days I had with a GT350, I had a BLAST! Loved the car. But as much fun as I had driving it, I kept thinking to myself “I can’t drive like this all the time. I’d get about 8 mpg and risk doing jail time”
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