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I have been giving this some serious though based off of my latest times and trap speeds. I think it is possible with a 1SS (might need to drop the seats). I would do the porting of the IM/TB for $200 and help out with the tune as much as I could to be part of the project. At this point it will take someone up North or with a track that will see 0 DA some time soon. I don't sell any of these parts but I really want to prove out what this car can do. I am on another forum where they make some pretty good points about the 5.0 and this car. I however don't think it is the car at all based off of my experience. I will be finishing out my build very soon and will be shooting for 10.7's in 0 DA. To get to 10.50's we are going to need a big converter, rpm, and the right size tires. I am only going to go so big on my converter but it will match my power band perfectly.

Here is the plan:

My ported MSD/TB (I know, I know, I said MSD)
RF CAI with dry filter (gonna test the stock elbow soon)
EFI Tuning E85 (at least E77)
EFI Tuning Remote tune, in car WB (ability to tune at the track)
Kooks 2" headers, no cats (or like)
QTP 3" cut out's
Catch can
180* T-stat
Circle D 5C multi disk (gonna need a 4-4,500 stall at least)
Race Star 17" rims
An on the car tire no taller than 27". 26" would be preferable

We all know my ported IM/TB make a ton of tq and really good power to 5,700-5,900 but is basically done there. The last porting I did seemed to be good for another mph and I was able to raise shift rpm and improve mph so maybe it pulls to 6-6,100 or so.

My ported MSD holds hard to 6,500 and barely tapers by 6,700. We need top end power for this goal. I would be planning on 6,700 shift points. However, this is where the 5C comes into it. To get into the 1.4 range in the 60fts you would need to leave above 4K due to the lack of tq. With the gear splits and all the available forward gears that is all that we need the converter for.

The 2" headers are worth a bit up top as well. Power band needs to be very solid from 5-6,700 rpm. Shifting at 6,700 we can get most of our shift recoveries over 5K.

Tire height is critical since we will be executing 4 shifts. I am thinking 26" will be about as short as we can go. There are no rear gears available that I am tracking other than 3.73's. My MT ETr's are rated at 28.5" but they are only 27" on the car. Slightly taller than the stock tires on the car.

Weight. From what I have seen advertised the 1SS is already 85lbs lighter from the factory than the 2SS. Mine sits at 3,840 with me in it race ready. Getting the race weight around 3,600 should be good enough.

Now I just need a car and someone who is down to do it.

[Hard Parker]

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[WILWAXU]

Weight reduction will be key.

[Tim Adams]

You start leaving at 4K those stock axles are not going to last very long.

[oldman]

run the kooks offroad pipes and uncapped at the rear band clamp OR unbolt them and run 18" long 3" diameter extensions. You will be losing some power thru the stock x pipe to the dumps, better just running header extensions.

Very cool project.

I have not seen a dyno with stock long block past 6600 RPM, as long as it is making more HP than where it will be after the shift + converter flash, it is worth reving till the rods leave the block would like to see one to 6800 RPM

[Snowblind]

A 10.5x with the stock cam is a tall task.


The Northeast tracks are just waking up from their slumber, it hasn't been easy watching all you southern gents from the sidelines.

[bhillakaiceberg]

Gonna be very tough with Stock cam....

[ULTRAZLS1]

Every mustang in that range (only 1 s550) has been stripped and is running ftw race fuel. Even went as far as to remove the damn cat back.
No comparable Bolton mustang has went 11.0 stock converter and full weight.

You seen first hand what a realistic FBO 5.0 can do against your car same track same day. You won. And on 93. And no converter


Anyway yeah someone should go for it.

[BradfordCamaro]

Sorry. M6 here.

I'm out...


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[Fraxum]

Wish I could help you.

[slick3]

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I suck at multi quoting and my phone wasn't telling me anyone responded to this thread. So I am just going to blanket reply.

10.50 is a tall order, I wouldn't have picked it if it wasn't. I thought everyone knew by now I say some wild crap and then do everything in my power to back it up. But it doesn't mean my wild comments aren't doable. I know with all the heads here and a willing participant we can do it. I am open to any suggestions to make my base plan better.

RPM and weight are key. I talked to a very reputable builder yesterday that is winging his stock block to 7,500 on the reg. Now the AFM lifters are the issue. I pushed them to 6,700 a lot but admittedly not on purpose. It is hard to watch the road and tach on the street with a 2nd gear launch at 5K. But I digress. Shifting my ported MSD/TB combo shouldn't be an issue at 6,600+. It is still making good power there on the stock cam. Maybe some cam timing could help up there. I would have to test that.

I think dropping the stock cat back after the cut out or instead of the cut out just makes sense. I do however like having any drops or cut outs after the X so we still get cylinder balance and the evacuations properties of the pulse waves.

I have no comment on the axles at this point but they look extremely beefy. I guess you can add axles to the list. The MSD doesn't really make crap for tq in the 4K range. There is a spike at 4,500 but it goes away pretty quickly. The converter should soften the blow as well.

And yes, mod for mod I am convinced that this car is at least .5 faster than the 5.0. The one I raced had at least 3 major mods on me that day and 1 minor. He has been faster now, we ran on the same day at different tracks that are about 80 miles apart and I had 3.5 mph on him in the 1/8 and almost 4 full mph in the 1/4. Our 60fts were within .01. He is getting the car dialed in and it is running hard. But if I could leave at 4K and did some of the other things he has I don't know how fast my car would be.

[Fraxum]

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RPM and weight are key.

I talked to a very reputable builder yesterday that is winging his stock block to 7,500 on the reg. Now the AFM lifters are the issue. I pushed them to 6,700 a lot but admittedly not on purpose. It is hard to watch the road and tach on the street with a 2nd gear launch at 5K. But I digress. Shifting my ported MSD/TB combo shouldn't be an issue at 6,600+. It is still making good power there on the stock cam. Maybe some cam timing could help up there. I would have to test that.
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Don't we have to change the Cam to get rid of the AFM lifters even on the M6? Oiling issues? And reliable 7,500 rpm requires more than just a lifter change, no?

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Originally Posted by Fraxum

Don't we have to change the Cam to get rid of the AFM lifters even on the M6? Oiling issues? And reliable 7,500 rpm requires more than just a lifter change, no?

Yes you do. The guy I was speaking with is probably the king of VVT cams. He has deleted the AFM lifters but is still running a VVT cam as far as I can tell. Actually, with this car, they are all VVT. It is just if you chose to use it or not I guess. I was pretty surprised when he said he was buzzing it to 7,500 with no issues. I usually even limit my LS7 cars to 7,200 even though they make power to 7,400.