[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

From what I've tried, it's either 75.6k or 77k BEFORE gas guzzler tax. Same old ford shenanigans, you can either get recaro seats, or you get the standard seats, then have to add heating and cooling/ power adjustable/ memory settings. You can't get the recaros with anything the zl1 has standard. May be a deal breaker to some, others may not care. And again before adm, doesnt include handling package or anything else other than the seats. Ford fans WILL NOT remove the cover over their eyes when talking price, most of us have noticed and its beating a dead horse at this point. Look at new moons response, you're willing to add the gas guzzler tax to the zl1 but the gt500 price DOES NOT INCLUDE gas guzzler tax as already stated by Rodan.
They also WILL NOT admit Adm's on these cars or say they will go away. Seems to me they do not deal in real world numbers, some fantasy world I guess.
Its like they're purposefully trying to mislead us????

They are never going to be realistic about ADMs. Or the fact that anywhere but a prepped strip in good air all the Mustangs underperform. GT* gets beat by a Kia. GT350 hides from the SLE. GT500 loses to a C8 by 2 tenths even though it has 260 more hp.

When even MT says the GT500 interior looks like an EcoBoost rented from Hertz and the usual Ford BS of 'Manual Recaros' or 'Heated/Vented electric seats you cant have both' the flagship Mustang isnt even up to standard on interiors either.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

They are never going to be realistic about ADMs. Or the fact that anywhere but a prepped strip in good air all the Mustangs underperform. GT* gets beat by a Kia. GT350 hides from the SLE. GT500 loses to a C8 by 2 tenths even though it has 260 more hp.

When even MT says the GT500 interior looks like an EcoBoost rented from Hertz and the usual Ford BS of 'Manual Recaros' or 'Heated/Vented electric seats you cant have both' the flagship Mustang isnt even up to standard on interiors either.

...but, it’s “special”.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Rodan

Gee, and what happens when we take the gas guzzler tax out... $64590... the number I quoted.

GT500 at $73995 DOESN'T INCLUDE GAS GUZZLER TAX.

Like I said before...


I stand by my point: comparably equipped, GT500 is ~ $11.5k more than ZL1 at sticker. Real world buyers will be paying much more than that.

The base price of $73,995 includes gas guzzler and destination fees.

[Rodan]

Please point out where gas guzzler tax is included in the $73,995 base price...





Edit - to save you further embarassment from being WRONG AGAIN...

[ChefBorOzzy]

GT500 DOES include the gas guzzler tax in 73,995 price. For some reason it's just not itemized.

[Rodan]

So, the screen grabs I just posted from the Ford website are wrong?

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

Ford guys that post here, NEVER consider price paid, LOL.
You are 100% correct. 25k price difference.

I don't profess to be an economist. But it seams like a simple case of supply and demand. The GT500 is the new hotness. The ZL1 is not.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Rodan

So, the screen grabs I just posted from the Ford website are wrong?

I see the same disclaimer when I build and price the GT500.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Rodan

So, the screen grabs I just posted from the Ford website are wrong?

Nor sure to make of it. I saw another site claim the guzzler tax is essentially built in as they said its 74k with delivery and has guzzler , but I guess Ford is probably correct.. They show the same message on the GT350. Doesn't make sense to not show the gas guzzler tax anywhere if the consumer has to pay it.

[BlaqWhole]

The sad thing is that Ford makes a product, limits the production so that it is difficult to obtain, the dealers then mark it up, not many people can actually buy the damn thing, and they go crazy about it. While they're on the sidelines cheering for a car that is near impossible to obtain, the Hellcats, Redeyes, ZL1s, and Z06s can all be had easily. It is stupid but that is the mentality among them. They'll be quick to talk about how much everyone wants a GT500. That stupidity is the reason why they get taken advantage of. And to top it all off, it's the GT guys who will never own one defending it. And even the GT350 guys. They defend it but refuse to pay even MSRP on the R. So what's that tell ya? With the R, these guys will negotiate for months on end or wait years to get one while others talk about how it's worth the markups. And then we gotta hear about how there will be plenty of GT500s at MSRP...yet the people saying that couldn't wait a little bit longer and decided to go with a discounted R instead. LOL!! And these guys don't even realize that by limiting the production, Ford is basically giving the dealerships the power to take advantage of people. And people who just want one soo bad that they'll pay extra give dealerships all the advantage too. The insanity is beyond comprehension.

I'm glad they defend it. because the more they do, the more it'll keep happening to them. And in a few years they'll be paying Z06 prices for a car that can't beat a ZL1 at everything. Oh wait, they're doing that now. LOL!!

[hotlap]

S16 disclaimer next to the “Total MSRP”. “Excludes taxes”

[ChefBorOzzy]

Looks like the Ford website is wrong if you look at the window sticker of a GT350. I'm going to say that the 73,995 includes destination and gas guzzler for the GT500.

Ford has the GT350 listed at 60,440 MSRP before destination on the build site. Base price on window sticker is listed at 59,140 and gas guzzler is 1,300..

[13vertss]

Base on gt500 is $70,300, it’s $72,900 with gg tax.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Base on gt500 is $70,300, it’s $72,900 with gg tax.

Say this quietly as you may make some members very angry.