[shaffe]

Thanks for the upload!!!!!!

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GT350R 1:57.87
Z/28 1:59.03
GT350 TP 2:00.82

So jsut as many speculated. 350R is faster, Z/28 just a bit behind. What shocked me was the the 350TP was only 1 second behind the Z

While the mullet head for the camaro was funny, I thought MT might have kept it a little more classy lol

[DevonK]

Worth the time, although a little less Cammista and a little more Randy would have been better. Randy should have driven both cars solo in the track-talk segment, pushed Cammista out the door....

Hardly a surprise that the Camaro was beaten, but it still acquitted itself pretty well. Biggest problem: no-feel steering. Hopefully that is fixed in the Gen 6.

That FPC engine sounds incredible but I wonder if it would be a bit much to live with.

[NASTY99Z28]

So much for the gt350 "killing" the z/28 that the Ford group predicted. That gap is about what one should expect from a newer model vs older model comparison. Now price point wise Ford did kill chevy.

[EE7]

Great win Ford. Now let's see what the 6th gen Z can do. I'm expecting a blood bath. I am amazed that the new ss has similar 0 to 60 and 1/4 times as the Z.

[khell86]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

So much for the gt350 "killing" the z/28 that the Ford group predicted. That gap is about what one should expect from a newer model vs older model comparison. Now price point wise Ford did kill chevy.

The Z/28 performs, but cmon man its rocking a race derived suspension, street legal race slicks, and CC brakes. All of that equipment is still better than the GT350Rs, which explains the price difference most likely.

Plus this was a GT350R with electronics package.

[SS 1LE]

So the "old" gen 5 Z28 is a second behind the GT350R, and almost two seconds ahead of a GT350 with the track pack. Whatever replaces the Z28 is going to walk all over these cars...I mean, even if GM left the Z28 specs alone, and just did the exact same things on a gen 6, the weight loss alone would put the car ahead of the GT350R with ease...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by khell86

The Z/28 performs, but cmon man its rocking a race derived suspension, street legal race slicks, and CC brakes. All of that equipment is still better than the GT350Rs, which explains the price difference most likely.

Plus this was a GT350R with electronics package.

Yep Ford hit a homerun with this. It's faster than its primary rival. It costs less, while having more features. Where Ford was really smart though, was the packaging of the 350.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

So the "old" gen 5 Z28 is a second behind the GT350R, and almost two seconds ahead of a GT350 with the track pack. Whatever replaces the Z28 is going to walk all over these cars...I mean, even if GM left the Z28 specs alone, and just did the exact same things on a gen 6, the weight loss alone would put the car ahead of the GT350R with ease...

It very well might. Going to be exciting to see what happens!

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

It costs less (GT350's)

Not really, considering a '15 Z28 is around $50K now. GM is marking them down about 20-25 grand. My dealer has a '15 Z28, sticker is $77K, I could get it for a tad over $50K...same price as a BASE GT350...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by khell86

The Z/28 performs, but cmon man its rocking a race derived suspension, street legal race slicks, and CC brakes. All of that equipment is still better than the GT350Rs, which explains the price difference most likely.

Plus this was a GT350R with electronics package.

Really? You're still going to run with those excuses? The GT350R runs similar tires, bigger than the Z/28, on carbon fiber wheels. The brakes on the GT350 are supposed to be as good as carbon ceramics.

The GT350R is cheaper because it's not a stand alone model. It's basically a package on the GT350. If the Z/28 had a discount model, it probably would have been cheaper too.


The GT350R is an excellent car. No need to make excuses for it. Everyone knew it would be faster than the Z/28 because it had to be.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Not really, considering a '15 Z28 is around $50K now. GM is marking them down about 20-25 grand. My dealer has a '15 Z28, sticker is $77K, I could get it for a tad over $50K...same price as a BASE GT350...

yeah now, it costs less bc they can't give them away.

However the MSRP of a Camaro is still over 70K and the 350R with electronics package is 65K

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Really? You're still going to run with those excuses? The GT350R runs similar tires, bigger than the Z/28, on carbon fiber wheels. The brakes on the GT350 are supposed to be as good as carbon ceramics.

The GT350R is cheaper because it's not a stand alone model. It's basically a package on the GT350. If the Z/28 had a discount model, it probably would have been cheaper too.

Which is where IMO Ford learned from GM's mistake. Had they offered the Z/28 in say two variants I think it would have sold a lot better. I know it wasn't meant to sell in huge numbers, but IMO a 70K camaro with no creature comforts may have turned off some buyers.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Which is where IMO Ford learned from GM's mistake. Had they offered the Z/28 in say two variants I think it would have sold a lot better. I know it wasn't meant to sell in huge numbers, but IMO a 70K camaro with no creature comforts may have turned off some buyers.

I don't think the Z/28 situation had any impact. Ford offered two different BOSS models before the Z/28 even came out.

[khell86]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Really? You're still going to run with those excuses? The GT350R runs similar tires, bigger than the Z/28, on carbon fiber wheels. The brakes on the GT350 are supposed to be as good as carbon ceramics.

The GT350R is cheaper because it's not a stand alone model. It's basically a package on the GT350. If the Z/28 had a discount model, it probably would have been cheaper too.


The GT350R is an excellent car. No need to make excuses for it. Everyone knew it would be faster than the Z/28 because it had to be.

They're not excuses. It is what it is. I'm not downplaying the Z/28's performance at all, simply offering my opinion for those who simply state oh well its only a second faster than the outgoing model.

So let me ask you this. Who did the better job then? The company who made a package that is cheaper and performs better than the stand alone car or no? Dont forget that the GT350 has been under development for many years. Well before we knew about the Z/28.