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Old 08-19-2018, 11:02 PM   #85
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I like the Cx9 as much as the next person but 7secs to 60mph isn't fast. Pilot is a sec faster so you need to re calibrate that butt dyno.

And that in stop n go traffic means what? So, you want to be 1 sec. faster to the next red light?
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Old 08-19-2018, 11:22 PM   #86
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I would probably stay far away from a turbo 4 cylinder after my previous experiences with them. If all you're doing is stoplight to stoplight driving its probably just fine but putting one out on the open road with a lot of hills is a killer. Larger NA engines deal with it well, small turbocharged engines...not so much. Sadly this is all coming from a fuel economy standpoint, not a standpoint of what it costs to operate, properly maintain, and repair over the engines service life.
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Old 08-20-2018, 05:21 AM   #87
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So after what Jim said, this whole thing ain't any proof at all---just a lot of crap about nothing. Figured pulling the 6 didn't make sense.
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:36 AM   #88
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For the more economy minded people or people who use the car for commuting, or who don't like to buy premium gas- the V6 is/was the only option. I don't mind a turbo 4 for a commuter car but I would not want to put in premium fuel. I like the V6 for that reason and others. If the 4 can run on 87 octane and make 350+ HP, available in a manual I would consider it- but not for a track car, commuter only. Track car V8 all the way.
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:43 AM   #89
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I would choose the 4 cylinder gas but with the exception that I'd want 87 octane fuel, NOT 93 for a commuter. V8 gas for track or weekend car. So my two choices would be gas.
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:59 AM   #90
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Im not a fan of this current trend to move to small displacement turbo motors. More parts to fail and higher stress on parts. They did this before and ended up getting away from turbos. Its all a smokescreen. We now have a Sorento because its just about the only vehicle in its size that still offers a V6. I loved the new Equinox except for the motor options. We drove both and was not impressed with either.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:29 AM   #91
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NA 4's maybe but the newest generation of turbo 4's are quite powerful. My wife drives a "18 Mazda CX-9, > 6K lbs, 3-row, mid-size SUV with a 2.5 Turbo4.
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Mazda CX9 weighs 4200 lbs.
Maybe the wife is >2000 lbs?
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:58 AM   #92
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The LGX V6 is a really good engine. It likes to rev and makes a great sound. It pairs nicely with the manual. Problem is, so may people (myself included until recently) have a really bad impression of a V6 Camaro (or Mustang). It isn't thought of as a performance option, or even a good engine, even though it is smooth as silk and makes more power than the old LT1 and about the same as an LS1. I sure hope they keep it and improve it. I wouldn't mind seeing a small TT setup to bump it to 420HP and plenty of torque though .

If you compare the specs of the LGX V6 Camaro against what we think the new Supra will be, they line up almost exactly. 335HP, ~3300lbs, roughly same dimensions plus the Camaro has a manual option and costs about half what we think the Supra will cost. Seems like it would make sense to keep it for competitive reasons.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:23 AM   #93
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This sums up the V6 pretty well:
https://jalopnik.com/a-basic-2016-ch...ing-1745827833

It is actually a pretty good sports car, if not a muscle car in V6 form.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:32 AM   #94
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My opinion here is they will probably keep the 6. The questions are maybe the future for the 4 banger and v8.
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Old 08-20-2018, 08:59 AM   #95
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filled out the survey this morning and didn't get the feeling that the v6 was on it's way out not sure what the op is talking about.
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:01 AM   #96
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4’s are junk no matter what brand of car it is , after 2-3 years they can’t make it up a mountain unless you start out at 70 by the time you hit the top of the mountain your doing 40
Good thing everyone in the US doesn't live on top of a freaking mountain.

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Old 08-20-2018, 09:27 AM   #97
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I wouldn't put too much faith on these surveys, I got one a year or so ago and remember the engine options then were different, of course nothing changed with 2019 except horrible design changes.

I do get where a V6 sounds better (not really literally, but figuratively) than a 4 cyl, but you can do more with a turbo 4 than you can a V6, just look at the aftermarket for the current 6th Gen 6cyl vs 4cyl. Unfortunately much of the move 4 cyl engines is due to emissions regulations and maybe there is a stigma about owing a 4cyl Camaro, but if you consider that it can handily out perform a V6, I don't see why they'd keep the V6 around.

I do think they should offer a mid level 5.3L V8 engine option, they won't but I don't think it would hurt for those that want the sound and more power without paying higher end V8 prices. Likewise, they should make the 6.2L more powerful (525+ HP/TQ) or move up to a bigger liter engine, which isn't going to happen either, but I like the thought of 7L+ Camaros.

I've said it before, but the base Camaro can be a turbo 4cyl, then in the middle you have an "RS" 5.3L V8 then you have the "SS" 6.2L (or bigger) V8. Basically the 4cyl stays, the 5.3L replaces the 3.6L V6 and the 6.2L gets a good power bump.
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:44 AM   #98
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ICE engine variety is just going to dwindle and dwindle rapidly within our lifetime as electric supplants all personal vehicles.

that's not a crazy hypothetical possibility, it's guaranteed barring some crazy war that sets quality of life back decades. No sense in getting worked up over it.

I'd be more concerned about the likelihood of computer controlled cars causing insurance to skyrocket for anyone wanting to drive the car themselves - leading to nobody being able to afford to drive a car themselves, leading to nobody caring about buying a car leading to cars become a service on-demand no different from air travel ...leading to car companies collapsing into one or two companies providing boring but functional vehicles that nobody will remember, like how you remember the type of plane you last traveled in.

Without something to replace the fun and excitement of driving around yourself, it is a bleak possibility that's actually worth being concerned about. The loss of ICE engines isn't. If anything, their eventual demise can make car enthusiasts much more empowered since there's far less going on in an electric car so it's all much more accessible at less of a price point for home mechanics. Though i'm sure they'll put laws on the books to keep things from getting too DIY friendly. Gotta protect the big corps.
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