[BriteCrawler]

Originally Posted by bpang1234

This really is a good time to be a car enthusiast.

100% this.

This debate is stupid and happens every time someone puts out a new version of a vehicle; 100% subjective and skewed from whatever one's point of view happens to be.

The RS is "just a Focus" as much as the Z/28 is "just a Camaro" as much as the Z06 is "just a Corvette" as much as an AMG is just a big boring Mercedes.

Like it or not, it's silly to crap all over something because of a badge. I see a capable AWD 350hp turbo car.

Is it ridiculous? To us it is, but not to public. Which is why you should never buy a car like this to impress anyone but yourself. There will always be someone who can't or won't appreciate the difference.

Bingo! Including some members of online car forums

[RaceFuel]

I was at the Portland International Auto Show last Friday with my girlfriend and they had a Focus RS there on display. It was locked up so you couldn't sit in it, but it is a neat looking car.
I think it'll sell okay for the market they want to compete in however it will have some work to do to get "street cred" in the WRX STI/Evo/Golf R crowd I think.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Denis

i think the point hes making is that cars should be compared as stock vs stock. anyone with enough money can make a focus RS outrun a Veyron. That doesn't make it a better car...it just means that the dude with the focus made it that way. its not an accurate representation of the car, its a representation of what can be done with money and modifications.

im never impressed when I hear "bla bla bla with a swap and giant turbo runs down a P1"...who cares? yea I get it, its fast good job. but don't compare modified cars to factory stock cars.

"No fair! Your car isn't stock!"



Most serious car enthusiasts buy a car as a canvas, not a finished product. Some canvases have more potential than others. It's very relevant.

[xc_SS/RS]

This car has two competitors over here in the USA (STI and Golf R). Overseas it has other extreme hot hatches to compete against. I don't see it getting very much love here after initial hype dies down. I say that because I really don't see many people, aside from those who are really into a car such as this, stepping up to pay 36K for a Focus. Yes, it's had a ton of extra engineering and technology put into it to make it go faster but the market isn't as big here for it.

I could be proven wrong and it could sell like hot cakes. I just don't see many jumping on this bandwagon when you can get more performance for a couple grand more (Camaro, Mustang and tons of others on the used market).

Edit: forgot another competitor: the Mercedes CLA45 AMG. Or at least I could see it being a competitor but good luck pulling those sales lol

[Grabber]

The Focus is impressive, but, I don't think 40K+ impressive.

I'll gladly run a modded one at the track with my "modded" GT that they apparently beat stock vs. stock and mod vs. mod according to some here.

[TheReaper]

I'll pay 40K for a hatch that will kill SS Camaros and GT Mustangs.

[IntricateDetail]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

Well now your assuming I think the Z/28 is worth $75K. I never said I agree with anything GM has done around the Camaro, nor do I drive a Z/28.

Oh the Corvette people... putting your noses in the air claiming superiority. If I wanted a top end performance car... I wouldn't have purchased a Camaro. Shit I wouldn't buy a Corvette either... If I wanted a family car that could go fast I wouldn't buy a Genesis.

Ford Focuses are the generic run of the mill car from Ford. I purchase my cars for the looks that I like. So it is obviously subjective... It is never really a performance purchase for me. So my statement above I stand behind. The Focus is an ugly car in my eyes and so is the Genesis.

Go back to your Corvette troll cave and eat some over heating Stingray A8 transmissions.

Erm, first...I read about Camaros and Corvettes...so I frequent both forums. Sorry that seems to rub you the wrong way (makes no sense...and I'm starting to see a pattern here).

I don't own either of these cars. I'm looking at a long list of cars and will make my final decision in the coming months.

Nobody ever said you couldn't have an opinion....the reality still remains that your argument is only valid to you. So if you're cool with that, then...cool.

Everyone out there has the prerogative to think that something else is lame. But the fact that you get so bent out of shape over "Corvette troll...head stuck in the air" losers....while calling out a car you've never driven and have no clue how it performs in the real world etc....just goes to show that you weren't interested in reality...unless it's your reality...because you are doing the exact same thing you say Corvette owners do. "Well even if 1,000,000 people like that car, I don't....so there. It's run of the mill, and ugly." Uh, literally...that's exactly what Corvette owners say....so I guess you are exactly like them. Congrats.

There are tons of people that think the Camaro is ugly....so again, your point is only valid to you. Which is cool...but quit trying to make it fact. It's your opinion, not a fact.

[CapeCruisin]

Hell yeah! 345HP (holy shit this is more than my 5.7L HEMI from 2005) and AWD and I DON'T have to drive around a rice burner in the new england weather?

About time this came to the states!

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

I'll pay 40K for a hatch that will kill SS Camaros and GT Mustangs.

Pay 40k for a hatch that a stock 37k ss or gt will kill. Then you will have to put a few thousand into the 40k hatch to kill a stock ss or gt. Then the ss or gt can easily be modded for a few thousand to kill the modded rs. Makes perfect sense!

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

I'll pay 40K for a hatch that will kill SS Camaros and GT Mustangs.

It's quick and could keep up, but I don't see it being able to kill SS Camaros or GT Mustangs right out of the box.

Using the VIR Lightning Lap data:

2013 Camaro SS 1LE: 3:01.5
2015 Mustang GT: 3:05.2
20-2 Mustang GT Boss 302 Laguna Seca: 3:02.8

The Focus RS Competitors in this test:

2015 Golf R: 3:12.5
2015 WRX STI: 3:10.5

With mods? Sure. But anything is possible when you add mods.

[Outlaw77]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

36,605 with destination.

And yes, it's a Focus variant. However it's very well priced with the outgoing Evo and WRX STI.

345 HP..AWD..seems like a good deal. It more than likely won't be stowed away in winter like a lot of 6th Gen garage queen Camaro's will be because they can't handle weather, or snow.

[Agarc]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

My apologies for not being clearer. What modded car (modded xxxx) will the modded Focus RS run down?

At $42,970 with options, I can get a 1SS for $36,300 and save $6,670.

well i wasnt trying to be like oh man haha camaro gonna get smoked or something like that .. i mean anyone who looks at this car and scoff at it cause its a focus is going to have hurt feeling .. the same way people would treat me in the srt4

[TheReaper]

This little car is going to cause a lot of butt-hurt. My son has a FiST and it's a blast to drive, I can only imagine what the RS will be like.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Agarc

well i wasnt trying to be like oh man haha camaro gonna get smoked or something like that .. i mean anyone who looks at this car and scoff at it cause its a focus is going to have hurt feeling .. the same way people would treat me in the srt4

I see what you're saying. I had a guy in a Cobolt SS all over my ZL1 when I first got it and I was like WTF.?? The Focus RS is a badass little car but not my thing. I'll be watching for them and will give an approving nod.