06-03-2015, 01:05 PM | #1 |
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Ram Clutch Pedal Adjuster
I get updates about new products from time to time. This one is one of the best devices for late model Camaros there is. Here is the info:
Most late-model street vehicles use an internal hydraulic clutch release bearing, sometimes called a concentric slave cylinder (CSC). Yet, unfathomably, many of them suffer from clutch engagement high on the pedal travel. For most drivers, this is not comfortable. Conveniently, Ram Clutches has introduced a pedal-height adjuster, which is situated inline between the hydraulic master cylinder and the slave cylinder. It is in effect, an accumulator in which a piston and spring are housed. When the adjustment screw is turned in to its fullest extent, the piston cannot move and the adjuster is bypassed. In fact, this is the condition in which the system should be re-bled. As the adjustment screw is turned out and the pedal depressed, the fluid flows into the adjuster and pushes the piston back. Once the cylinder is full, the remaining fluid is routed to the hydraulic bearing. This essentially introduces free-play to the pedal travel and lowers the point where the clutch engages, allowing the driver to adjust the pedal to the most comfortable driving position. A lower pedal also quickens clutch response. A bonus feature of this adjuster is its ability to control the travel distance of the release bearing. This prevents over-travel of the clutch fingers, which can lead to clutch malfunction at higher engine RPM. Applying the pedal-height adjuster’s resourcefulness to the competition clutch Also worth noting, original equipment manufacturers use pre-loaded release bearings that are in constant contact with the clutch’s diaphragm fingers while competition-style bearing makers do not. By contrast they seek maximum clutch clamping force and, therefore, require some free-play between the clutch release bearing and the fingers. Further free play is needed to compensate for wear as the fingers move gradually toward the bearing. Then, controlling the amount the bearing moves on its sleeve is another consideration—if it moves too far it will collide with the circlip on the end of the piston sleeve—not far enough and it won’t disengage the clutch. Ram’s pedal-height adjuster is aimed at simplifying the process and ensuring the success of the competition clutch. Source Ram Clutches Columbia SC (803) 788-6034 www.RamClutches.com They make a custom line kit for the gen 5 Camaro 78300Pedal height adjuster assembly with line 78350Feed line kit with adapters, C6 Corvette, 10-up Camaro, 05-up Mustang I was skeptical about this until I installed it on my daughters 2SS/RS. It does 2 things it transfers more fluid than the stock line & it allows adjustment of the pedal. I started with the 2 turns that it stated in the instructions & I now have about 1 inch of free play. The pedal feels just like the old muscle cars with engagement of the clutch much closer to the floor. I was worried about the clutch not releasing but that is a non issue. When my daughter drove the car for the first time she said it shifts better & faster because of the clutch engaging sooner. I highly recommend this product.
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06-03-2015, 01:21 PM | #2 |
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One thing I forgot to mention is that this device allows you to adjust the amount of travel your throwout bearing has (stock or aftermarket). It also keeps the bearing from being in contact with the pressure plate until the clutch pedal is applied.
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06-03-2015, 11:02 PM | #3 |
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Here is the install on my car
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06-04-2015, 09:56 AM | #4 |
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Looks like ya running camber plates and turbos there boss. What kinda clutch ya got?
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06-04-2015, 11:03 AM | #5 |
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78305 is the part number for our cars that contain 78300 and 78350 and it just a little cheaper than buying them separately.
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06-04-2015, 02:24 PM | #6 |
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How do you like it? Did you order direct from Ram?
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06-04-2015, 04:35 PM | #7 |
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No turbos, stock clutch. That is a New Era CAI. Car has only 12K miles. Someday I will list the parts I have on it. So far I have added almost $20K in improvements over stock.
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06-05-2015, 07:59 AM | #8 |
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It also keeps the bearing from being in contact with the pressure plate until the clutch pedal is applied.
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06-05-2015, 08:06 AM | #9 |
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I just ordered this, going to try and install it tomorrow!
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06-05-2015, 11:41 AM | #10 |
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Speed shop dropped my tranny and saw nothing wrong. Everything aligned and in spec. No damage. Had issues in first gear and reverse like the pressure plate is coming into contact wayyyy too early in the pedal travel. Theyre installing this next week. I will report back.
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06-06-2015, 05:39 PM | #11 |
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Anyone who installed this, does the system need to be bled to install this?? I am a little nervous about doing that...any help is appreciated. Thanks!
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06-07-2015, 02:08 PM | #12 |
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Yes, but if you install the assembly full of fluid with caps on both ends bleeding is nominal. I hooked up the bottom first then the top.
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06-09-2015, 10:05 AM | #14 |
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I was looking on another site about clutch shims and while the article was about a T56, Tick Performance was saying that the compressed distance from the CSC to the PP fingers should only be 1/8. If this also applies to the TR6060, that would mean the throw out bearing always rides on the PP fingers just because the spring pushes the CSC out to its limits.
I don't really see a way this would prevent contact of the bearing with the PP, but it could limit the travel with hydraulic pressure behind it. The fingers on the PP on my LS3 are about 80mm from the bell housing of the trans. The fully extended CSC is 61mm from the bell housing. To me this means the PP compresses the CSC 19mm even with no pressure, and the throwout bearing will ride on the PP. I feel like I am missing something here so feel free to enlighten me.
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