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Old 12-25-2020, 06:07 PM   #169
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honestly if someone happened to be looking to buy an already boosted ss i'd probably give mine up and buy a gt, sad to say because I have always liked chevy better
Just forge your bottom end.

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Old 12-25-2020, 06:09 PM   #170
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Just forge your bottom end.

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And how much labor is that gonna run lol.. PLUS my already upgraded fuel system probably wont even handle the 800.. I could be wrong about that one though
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Old 12-25-2020, 06:09 PM   #171
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Well, yeah, when you have the low-end torque of a screwdriver and a redline of 13+k RPM, then you need to cruise at a higher RPM.

Realtime MPG display is not that accurate, and obviously don't lug the engine by dropping the RPM way too low.

Some manual cars actually have recommended shift points for daily driving in Owner's Manual. Not the Camaro, for some reason.

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Old 12-25-2020, 06:12 PM   #172
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And how much labor is that gonna run lol.. PLUS my already upgraded fuel system probably wont even handle the 800.. I could be wrong about that one though
I wouldn't switch to a car you like less just because it's easier, I did a forged 416, twin turbo kit and port injection for mine. It wasn't cheap but I have the car I want with over 1000 hp.

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Old 12-26-2020, 06:08 AM   #173
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Camaro looks are just killer, people can’t believe its a Chevy. I also bought it because of the outstanding Engine and transmission. The front facia is supper mean looking and those lines on the back quarter panels are gorgeous.
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Old 12-26-2020, 07:38 AM   #174
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I never even considered it. Never
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Old 12-26-2020, 08:03 AM   #175
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It’s cheaper to run 9s or 10s in a Mustang.

But I really don’t care if 99.999% of the time I’m not at a drag strip....
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Old 12-26-2020, 10:30 AM   #176
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So GM wanting to make sure that people didn't go into their computer and **** up their transmission turned you off? I completely understand that, I wouldn't want people screwing around with it either if I were GM. Plenty of 4th, 5th and early 6th Gens to mod the hell out of.
It's hard to ignore the possibility that GM locked the aftermarket out of the 20+ TCM in the wake of the aftermarket figuring out how to revise the slip tables for the A8 to fix that transmission's shudder.

I mostly agree with gtfoxy, that being locked out of the TCM represents a "take-away" by GM.


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Old 12-26-2020, 12:30 PM   #177
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And how much labor is that gonna run lol.. PLUS my already upgraded fuel system probably wont even handle the 800.. I could be wrong about that one though
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It's hard to ignore the possibility that GM locked the aftermarket out of the 20+ TCM in the wake of the aftermarket figuring out how to revise the slip tables for the A8 to fix that transmission's shudder.

I mostly agree with gtfoxy, that being locked out of the TCM represents a "take-away" by GM.
A pretty unhealthy attitude on GM's part, if you ask me. In terms of control hardware and software, it seems to me automakers have traditionally been lagging far behind the technology curve for some reason (indifference? risk avoidance? greed?). Today's infotainment systems could be rewritten to a much higher standard from scratch by a team of 2-3 in a couple months, with very few exceptions. (I led a relavitely small team that created a complete UAV system with realtime 3D augmented reality in the early 2010's, so I'm not BSing here.)

Now, against that backdrop, one wonders why GM's first drastic lockdown had to be implemented with the T93. I mean, why not every module? How come they still allow ECM tuning, which is far more consequential? Kind of a bitter pill to swallow when the platform is so mind-boggingly capable.
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Old 12-26-2020, 01:00 PM   #178
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A pretty unhealthy attitude on GM's part, if you ask me. In terms of control hardware and software, it seems to me automakers have traditionally been lagging far behind the technology curve for some reason (indifference? risk avoidance? greed?). Today's infotainment systems could be rewritten to a much higher standard from scratch by a team of 2-3 in a couple months, with very few exceptions. (I led a relavitely small team that created a complete UAV system with realtime 3D augmented reality in the early 2010's, so I'm not BSing here.)

Now, against that backdrop, one wonders why GM's first drastic lockdown had to be implemented with the T93. I mean, why not every module? How come they still allow ECM tuning, which is far more consequential? Kind of a bitter pill to swallow when the platform is so mind-boggingly capable.
I have a friend that works for a tech. company that provides computer chips to automobile manufacturers. Because of the safety required and risk of components failing, they HAVE to use components that are fail proof compared to something that goes in a tablet or phone. Thus, the "old" chips are proven over time and can be used with high confidence. New tech. isn't proven enough, so the auto manufacturers do lag behind.

Now WRT the programming of the infotainment - and I'm speculating here - I can see how that's different. I think the expert programmers go to tech. companies like Apple, Google, MicroSoft, Amazon, etc., whereas car companies get the leftovers, the "C students", so to speak, so the programming isn't as good. That's just a guess.
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Old 12-26-2020, 02:12 PM   #179
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It's hard to ignore the possibility that GM locked the aftermarket out of the 20+ TCM in the wake of the aftermarket figuring out how to revise the slip tables for the A8 to fix that transmission's shudder.

I mostly agree with gtfoxy, that being locked out of the TCM represents a "take-away" by GM.


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I wonder if it's due to warranty issues too. Remember the Coyote engines, at least the first few years of them there was issues with cylinders detonating after tunes were installed. I think it was cylinder number 8. That was the reason I never loaded a tune onto mine. I was worried I'd wreck my engine and be stuck with having to buy a new engine
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Old 12-26-2020, 02:59 PM   #180
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I've owned two mustang GTs over the years a 1987 and a 2011 both I bought when new. The mustang is a fun car for the money IMHO. In 2016 I looked at buying another Mustang GT but I was kind of put off by the manual trans. I really thing the manual in the Camaro is much better shifting transmission. The clutch and gear spacing I think is also better on the Camaro. I'm a fan of the 5.0 coyote motor but I prefer the power delivery on the LT1. Overall my SS Camaro has been one of my favorite cars and I've owned a lot of different ones over the years.
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Old 12-27-2020, 02:27 AM   #181
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I like them, but I like Camaros better. The looks of the Camaro are more aggressive and more to my taste, and the interior is great. I live how it has a simplistic and sleek design, and while it gets shit by Americans for not "being up to par" with German cars, here in Europe the reaction is the complete opposite, everyone that's been in both has said they like it way more. The Mustang has imo a very cheap looking and lazy interior, there's no nice lines, no feeling of sleekness. Its just meh. A forged bottom end does sound nice tho but I'll never run the 650+hp required to justify a forged bottom end anyhow so to me its not a big deal.
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Old 12-27-2020, 09:13 AM   #182
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I like them, but I like Camaros better. The looks of the Camaro are more aggressive and more to my taste, and the interior is great. I live how it has a simplistic and sleek design, and while it gets shit by Americans for not "being up to par" with German cars, here in Europe the reaction is the complete opposite, everyone that's been in both has said they like it way more. The Mustang has imo a very cheap looking and lazy interior, there's no nice lines, no feeling of sleekness. Its just meh. A forged bottom end does sound nice tho but I'll never run the 650+hp required to justify a forged bottom end anyhow so to me its not a big deal.
I guess some folks in this country just don’t know how good we have it here in regards to owning a Camaro. I can agree with your reply about the Camaro and my thinking is if a person doesn’t like the looks of the Camaro then buy a Mustang or Challenger and drive on. Personally I think the 6gen looks much better than the 5th gen and is a vast improvement over it too. And I did own a 2010 2SS.
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