Electric Camaro teased? I hope so. - Page 6

GTO_Gregory · 03-11-2020, 08:14 PM

An electric assisted Camaro is cool. Just make it faster 0-60 than the ZL1, and make it about an inch lower than the lowest current model.

Petrol Head · 03-11-2020, 08:42 PM

Some who read this will not be surprised by my comment. No car carrying the Camaro badge and red, white, and blue logo shall ever use anything but an internal combustion gasoline engine.

The name should be retired before any type of alternative fuel propulsion system is ever used in it.

Dark Phoenix · 03-11-2020, 09:12 PM

I get the first in class part if GM takes the Camaro electric and that is what Mary Barra is looking for is vehicles being first in the class, dominating new segments. Corevette did something different when it went Mid-engine for the C8. The Hummer coming back despite being a “GMC” with the front end that says classic Hummer except instead of being known for gas consumption will be known as an Electric vehicle with Hummer looks. Think about if GM took the 7th gen Camaro electric & went 1st gen/5th gen styling cues with the appearance. OP said the silhouette looked like a 3rd gen, I’d disagree. For GM they’d strike gold if the could build a successful Performance oriented electric Camaro that has the classic 1st/5th gen appearance that everyone loves. It’d be a big win for GM and Chevrolet and they’d be first in the segment to do it, if they did go that route they’ve got the right guy in charge to lead that project. I’m skeptical that it’d actually happen but I think it’d be an opportunity that GM wouldn’t want to pass up based off the direction they’re trying to go.

Norm Peterson · 03-12-2020, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GTO_Gregory

An electric assisted Camaro is cool. Just make it faster 0-60 than the ZL1, and make it about an inch lower than the lowest current model.

The current car is about 53" tall. In EV/skateboard form I have a hard time believing you wouldn't end up being closer to 60" than 52".

The 5th gen was a rather thick-bodied reinterpretation of the 1st gen. As an EV it would likely get even more bulked-up.

You can't put feet or seat mounts/sliders where the batteries are. I suppose if you got away from the skateboard architecture that you could relocate the batteries to a relatively large central tunnel, but I doubt that a model line selling in fewer that 100,000 units/year would be able to justify the effort.

Norm

redcoats1976 · 03-12-2020, 02:02 PM

lets not forget that the space currently occupied by the driveshaft could be used to house batteries.

Norm Peterson · 03-12-2020, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

lets not forget that the space currently occupied by the driveshaft could be used to house batteries.

Wasn't that possibility - and a concern regarding the viability of such a solution - already identified?

Norm

Fraxum · 03-13-2020, 09:02 AM

How much Horsepower do we "Need"? Every sixth gen Camaro is fast enouh to be fun. To me the HP war is a war of diminshing returns. And big batteries are heavy.

Having owned two big HP cars, the LT1 motor paired with a manual in a CA6 Camaro is my favorite car ever. It is a nice useful size, relatively light, and has a rock solid chassis. To me it is a BMW 3 series (when they were fun to drive) with a stonkin small block Chevy. It will run low 12s at the strip and out handle and run with or faster than anything twice the price. The sound, the vibration, the experience. Sure we can pick the Camaro apart as a car, but it is really good just the way it is. And it has soul that makes us smile.

I am not knocking EVs, go ahead, stick some batteries in my boring SUV or sedan, I am fine with that. ZZZZ. But to me batteries take the soul out of a performance car. Our planet is our biggest problem by far. And gas powered cars have an expiration date. Knowing that, I want to enjoy driving my Camaro while I can.

Norm Peterson · 03-13-2020, 09:22 AM

Because too many people can't see past "if some's good, more's better, and too much is just enough".

Problem is, those 'stages' are all moving targets.

Norm

Sickstylemob · 03-19-2020, 08:20 PM

Camaro sales really that bad compared to the other two? I heard it’s been declining a bit, but really that much of a difference ? Which years were the best and worst of the 6gen?

Norm Peterson · 03-20-2020, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sickstylemob

Camaro sales really that bad compared to the other two? I heard it’s been declining a bit, but really that much of a difference ? Which years were the best and worst of the 6gen?

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chev...sales-numbers/

Norm

hotlap · 03-20-2020, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sickstylemob

Camaro sales really that bad compared to the other two? I heard it’s been declining a bit, but really that much of a difference ? Which years were the best and worst of the 6gen?

Since 2015, sales have fallen for each...
37.7% Camaro
40.8% Mustang
8.1% Challenger

Total segment is down 31.8%

MR's 2SS · 01-25-2021, 07:23 PM

I wonder if I can re energize this thread after a year.
I started out here by accident. Then I read the OPs comments and his profile... I laughed that it said im a kid.... Some guys were too hard on him. I think he presented his points very well. Wonder if hes at college now for engineering...
Im going to say what Im thinking and see if anyone cares.
First. Why cant they just build an electric vehicle and call it something else. Everyone knows the globalists are going to push EVs until thats all there is. Its now the end of Jan... 2021 and theres a new occupant in the whitehouse. He is a globalist and already has moved to make gas prices rise. That will continue.
I live in an affluent area in NJ where a lot of the population are left leaning. The more affluent areas the more Teslas. Its the new beemer. Its the cool possession and it makes a political statement.
I have a 29 year old son who believes the world is going to end in 12 years because we refuse to stop burning fossil fuels.
I believe the enemies of our nation are using the issue to drive policies that will diminish our ability to maintain our competitiveness in global markets.
The whole EV motive is to stop using fossil fuel however the electricity to charge them is largely from coal fired plants. Obsolete coal plants. So... zero benefit to the environment.
We have 80% of the worlds reserves of natural gas. It burns way cleaner than coal so if the objective is to benefit the environment why are we not building NG power plants?
If all this madness continues unabated we will be reduced to a second world former power under some form of communist authoritarian government.
So... Im driving my F-250 and my Camaro and my Harleys... Ill be unlikely to comply with whatever they come up with to control me and I will be taken down for that.
Listening to some of the rhetoric these past few weeks is evidence that that day is not so far off.
The numbers quoted for market shar indicate the muscle cars are diminishing in volume. But that doesnt necessarily mean lost demand. Theres plenty of thread here about slim availability on dealer lots.
What the lots are full of is 4 cyl mini SUVs that arent selling in the numbers they build.. Thousands of them sitting from all dealers from all countries. Its Corporate Average Fuel Economy pushing to meet higher and higher economy standards.
If they build too many Camaros it will eat into their ability to sell numbers of trucks.
Cars are already appliances for a lot of people. They dont know or even ask if their 53 thousand dollar BMW has a 6 or a 4. It has heated leather seats and steering wheel and it smells good. But it has a 4 cyl engine.... sorry.. not interested.
One guy a few pages back said if he is forced into an EV he will buy the cheapest one and treat it as an appliance.
Thats where Im at.
Its as if after sleeping with women your whole life... the government comes in and regulates you into living alone and having a cold plastic blow up doll.
Ill probably get banned for this one.

arpad_m · 01-25-2021, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR's 2SS

I wonder if I can re energize this thread after a year.
I started out here by accident. Then I read the OPs comments and his profile... I laughed that it said im a kid.... Some guys were too hard on him. I think he presented his points very well. Wonder if hes at college now for engineering...
Im going to say what Im thinking and see if anyone cares.
First. Why cant they just build an electric vehicle and call it something else. Everyone knows the globalists are going to push EVs until thats all there is. Its now the end of Jan... 2021 and theres a new occupant in the whitehouse. He is a globalist and already has moved to make gas prices rise. That will continue.
I live in an affluent area in NJ where a lot of the population are left leaning. The more affluent areas the more Teslas. Its the new beemer. Its the cool possession and it makes a political statement.
I have a 29 year old son who believes the world is going to end in 12 years because we refuse to stop burning fossil fuels.
I believe the enemies of our nation are using the issue to drive policies that will diminish our ability to maintain our competitiveness in global markets.
The whole EV motive is to stop using fossil fuel however the electricity to charge them is largely from coal fired plants. Obsolete coal plants. So... zero benefit to the environment.
We have 80% of the worlds reserves of natural gas. It burns way cleaner than coal so if the objective is to benefit the environment why are we not building NG power plants?
If all this madness continues unabated we will be reduced to a second world former power under some form of communist authoritarian government.
So... Im driving my F-250 and my Camaro and my Harleys... Ill be unlikely to comply with whatever they come up with to control me and I will be taken down for that.
Listening to some of the rhetoric these past few weeks is evidence that that day is not so far off.
The numbers quoted for market shar indicate the muscle cars are diminishing in volume. But that doesnt necessarily mean lost demand. Theres plenty of thread here about slim availability on dealer lots.
What the lots are full of is 4 cyl mini SUVs that arent selling in the numbers they build.. Thousands of them sitting from all dealers from all countries. Its Corporate Average Fuel Economy pushing to meet higher and higher economy standards.
If they build too many Camaros it will eat into their ability to sell numbers of trucks.
Cars are already appliances for a lot of people. They dont know or even ask if their 53 thousand dollar BMW has a 6 or a 4. It has heated leather seats and steering wheel and it smells good. But it has a 4 cyl engine.... sorry.. not interested.
One guy a few pages back said if he is forced into an EV he will buy the cheapest one and treat it as an appliance.
Thats where Im at.
Its as if after sleeping with women your whole life... the government comes in and regulates you into living alone and having a cold plastic blow up doll.
Ill probably get banned for this one.

Check out https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10373725 before your reply is deleted.

Where in NJ are you? Up north? Come spring we should get together and discuss the state of the world

SpeedLimit · 01-25-2021, 08:43 PM

Wouldn't be suprised if the performance GM EV Camaro offering isn't as least as fast as a Tesla plaid. Now with that said, Tesla roadster may be the benchmark in ev performance but it's not available to actually drive. I don't think GM is out of the EV performance market and wouldn't be suprised if it ends up being competitive.

03-11-2020, 08:14 PM	#71
GTO_Gregory Drives: 2016 Camaro Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Texas & Uncle Sam's Choice Posts: 123	An electric assisted Camaro is cool. Just make it faster 0-60 than the ZL1, and make it about an inch lower than the lowest current model. __________________ 2024 Chevrolet 3500HD Z71, LTZ, 4x4, 6.6 ltr. L5P long-bed. 2016 Camaro 2SS Six-speed, Hotchkis sway bars, Eibach .750" drop springs, Mamo throttle body, E85, BMR stuff. 2006 Quicksilver 6-speed GTO ERL LS3-430, All-Pro 285cc heads, 262/273 .758/.742 116+3 cam, Sheet-metal Intake, 70lb Siemens injectors, SLP, GMM Ripshifter, QA1 Coil-overs front and rear, nylon suspension bushings, Hotchkis, RPM Trans, SPEC twin clutch, SpinTech, Kooks 1 7/8 -2.0", BMR drive train, Kaaz 3.91, Lingenfelter CAI, Baer brakes, mini-tubs, E85.

03-11-2020, 09:12 PM	#73
Dark Phoenix Drives: 2022 Camaro 1SS Redline Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: MD Posts: 297	I get the first in class part if GM takes the Camaro electric and that is what Mary Barra is looking for is vehicles being first in the class, dominating new segments. Corevette did something different when it went Mid-engine for the C8. The Hummer coming back despite being a “GMC” with the front end that says classic Hummer except instead of being known for gas consumption will be known as an Electric vehicle with Hummer looks. Think about if GM took the 7th gen Camaro electric & went 1st gen/5th gen styling cues with the appearance. OP said the silhouette looked like a 3rd gen, I’d disagree. For GM they’d strike gold if the could build a successful Performance oriented electric Camaro that has the classic 1st/5th gen appearance that everyone loves. It’d be a big win for GM and Chevrolet and they’d be first in the segment to do it, if they did go that route they’ve got the right guy in charge to lead that project. I’m skeptical that it’d actually happen but I think it’d be an opportunity that GM wouldn’t want to pass up based off the direction they’re trying to go. __________________ 2022 Camaro 1SS A10 Black, Redline Edition - SOLD

03-13-2020, 09:02 AM	#77
Fraxum Drives: a M6 LT1 ordered From Becky!!! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,520	How much Horsepower do we "Need"? Every sixth gen Camaro is fast enouh to be fun. To me the HP war is a war of diminshing returns. And big batteries are heavy. Having owned two big HP cars, the LT1 motor paired with a manual in a CA6 Camaro is my favorite car ever. It is a nice useful size, relatively light, and has a rock solid chassis. To me it is a BMW 3 series (when they were fun to drive) with a stonkin small block Chevy. It will run low 12s at the strip and out handle and run with or faster than anything twice the price. The sound, the vibration, the experience. Sure we can pick the Camaro apart as a car, but it is really good just the way it is. And it has soul that makes us smile. I am not knocking EVs, go ahead, stick some batteries in my boring SUV or sedan, I am fine with that. ZZZZ. But to me batteries take the soul out of a performance car. Our planet is our biggest problem by far. And gas powered cars have an expiration date. Knowing that, I want to enjoy driving my Camaro while I can. __________________ "Democracy Dies in Darkness" My LT1 Keeper ..... ..... My Car Blog CarPlayList, a free App to build USB and Android Music drives. Last edited by Fraxum; 03-13-2020 at 09:13 AM.

03-13-2020, 09:22 AM	#78
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	Because too many people can't see past "if some's good, more's better, and too much is just enough". Problem is, those 'stages' are all moving targets. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

03-11-2020, 08:42 PM	#72
Petrol Head Account Suspended Drives: Fast if no one's looking Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,794	Some who read this will not be surprised by my comment. No car carrying the Camaro badge and red, white, and blue logo shall ever use anything but an internal combustion gasoline engine. The name should be retired before any type of alternative fuel propulsion system is ever used in it.

03-12-2020, 02:02 PM	#75
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,916	lets not forget that the space currently occupied by the driveshaft could be used to house batteries.

03-19-2020, 08:20 PM	#79
Sickstylemob Drives: 2017 Camaro 1ss Mosaic Black Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Md Posts: 47	Camaro sales really that bad compared to the other two? I heard it’s been declining a bit, but really that much of a difference ? Which years were the best and worst of the 6gen?

01-25-2021, 07:23 PM	#82
MR's 2SS Drives: 2020 2SS Vert/M6/F250 SD Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Jersey Posts: 379	I wonder if I can re energize this thread after a year. I started out here by accident. Then I read the OPs comments and his profile... I laughed that it said im a kid.... Some guys were too hard on him. I think he presented his points very well. Wonder if hes at college now for engineering... Im going to say what Im thinking and see if anyone cares. First. Why cant they just build an electric vehicle and call it something else. Everyone knows the globalists are going to push EVs until thats all there is. Its now the end of Jan... 2021 and theres a new occupant in the whitehouse. He is a globalist and already has moved to make gas prices rise. That will continue. I live in an affluent area in NJ where a lot of the population are left leaning. The more affluent areas the more Teslas. Its the new beemer. Its the cool possession and it makes a political statement. I have a 29 year old son who believes the world is going to end in 12 years because we refuse to stop burning fossil fuels. I believe the enemies of our nation are using the issue to drive policies that will diminish our ability to maintain our competitiveness in global markets. The whole EV motive is to stop using fossil fuel however the electricity to charge them is largely from coal fired plants. Obsolete coal plants. So... zero benefit to the environment. We have 80% of the worlds reserves of natural gas. It burns way cleaner than coal so if the objective is to benefit the environment why are we not building NG power plants? If all this madness continues unabated we will be reduced to a second world former power under some form of communist authoritarian government. So... Im driving my F-250 and my Camaro and my Harleys... Ill be unlikely to comply with whatever they come up with to control me and I will be taken down for that. Listening to some of the rhetoric these past few weeks is evidence that that day is not so far off. The numbers quoted for market shar indicate the muscle cars are diminishing in volume. But that doesnt necessarily mean lost demand. Theres plenty of thread here about slim availability on dealer lots. What the lots are full of is 4 cyl mini SUVs that arent selling in the numbers they build.. Thousands of them sitting from all dealers from all countries. Its Corporate Average Fuel Economy pushing to meet higher and higher economy standards. If they build too many Camaros it will eat into their ability to sell numbers of trucks. Cars are already appliances for a lot of people. They dont know or even ask if their 53 thousand dollar BMW has a 6 or a 4. It has heated leather seats and steering wheel and it smells good. But it has a 4 cyl engine.... sorry.. not interested. One guy a few pages back said if he is forced into an EV he will buy the cheapest one and treat it as an appliance. Thats where Im at. Its as if after sleeping with women your whole life... the government comes in and regulates you into living alone and having a cold plastic blow up doll. Ill probably get banned for this one.

01-25-2021, 08:43 PM	#84
SpeedLimit Drives: 2019 F150 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Virginia Posts: 203	Wouldn't be suprised if the performance GM EV Camaro offering isn't as least as fast as a Tesla plaid. Now with that said, Tesla roadster may be the benchmark in ev performance but it's not available to actually drive. I don't think GM is out of the EV performance market and wouldn't be suprised if it ends up being competitive.

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