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One thing that might be preventing me from getting my car on the dyno is that there has typically been long lines for that and I will be playing in the band that’s scheduled for the event, so there’s that.
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05-04-2019, 07:17 PM | #16 | |
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Did you get your car on the dyno? The exhaust is likely different between the SS and Corvette, maybe accounting for a slight hp loss in the SS compared to the Vette? Regarding LT1 (455 rated) vs Gen 3 Coyote (460 rated) horsepower: In Motor Trend's testing, the GT* was 3 mph and 0.3 seconds faster than the 2019 A10 SS (12.4 @ 115.8 vs 12.1 @ 118.8). Car and Driver the GT* trapped 2 mph higher and was 0.1 seconds faster (12.2 @ 118 vs 12.1 @ 120). Interestingly, the Car and Driver SS was 49 lbs heavier than the Motor Trend SS (maybe it had either more fuel or more options). And the GT* is around 40 lbs or so heavier than a similarly equipped SS, which combined with a consistently higher trap speed tells me the Coyote has to be making more than just 5 hp more than the LT1. Trap speeds are a good indicator of hp in similarly weighted cars. Those mph differences combined with the weight differences seem like a 20+ hp difference between the two. Maybe there's too many other variables at play.
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05-04-2019, 10:28 PM | #17 | |
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If the Stang is 2-3 mph faster in the quarter consistently then it’s likely making a bit more power. I like those Coyote engines. I don’t like the physical size of them though. Far better than the mod motors though. |
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Gearing/gear ratios will also play a part.
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That is probably the biggest issue with the visibility. Just about ever ysingle review mentions it, so people go into a test drive with the preconceived notion that the visibility is bad. Gets amplified on a ten minute test drive.
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05-07-2019, 09:14 AM | #21 | |
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As far as the perceived 20 hp difference you mention between the lt1 and gen 3 coyote, that's a hard sell considering the manuals have the same engine and with those transmissions the Camaro traps the same or higher than the mustang. It was also mentioned that the non pp1 GT isn't trapping quite that high, though idk the validity of that it's worth noting if true. So there's more variables than just hp. I do believe both engines to be a little underrated and the mustangs possible being slightly more underrated in hp but I doubt it's a 20 hp discrepancy.
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05-07-2019, 10:32 AM | #23 | |
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05-08-2019, 10:51 PM | #25 |
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Yessir. Good eye. Here’s a better pic from several years ago. Different band. Opening for a Monster Truck Jam at Ford Field in Detroit.
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Nice! I spent 10 years (2005-2015) as the lead guitarist for a cover band in Portland, OR. Lots of good times were had.
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