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01-20-2021, 01:37 PM | #114 | |
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A report came out suggesting the mustang will go full electric in 2028. If true, then so will the Camaro and Dodges. Now I wonder if you can have a manual in EV sports cars and some battery whine. That would be the most we can get if we get lucky, lol. |
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01-20-2021, 01:45 PM | #115 | |
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I doubt they will put all that money into the CT V-series Blackwings which are certain to be limited market, only to not have some sort of bigger market scale absorb some production costs. |
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01-20-2021, 03:01 PM | #116 | |
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Or my theory just based on knowing a low roof EV is coming and GM's general strategy, the 7th gen is an EV.
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From a business point of view, one of my friends who owns a Hellcat Charger has his questions about the profit margins on the Hellcats when you consider the fees they pay with all the outsourced performance parts and whatever emission fees they have to pay with CAFE in mind. Last time I checked, FCA paid Tesla a lot to get emission credits and they also paid some fines in Europe regarding emissions. Not a good outlook. It's just that FCA has enough money to not give a crap about the business... for now. I don't exactly think GM's approach is great when it comes to EV(shoving it down everyone's throat), but they at least have a plan. It's a necessary evil, so to speak. Quote:
It's like Toyota with Zupr4. It's a low-volume sports car and they have to work with someone else to lower development cost. That's all well and good, but please explain how you guys then did the Yaris GR all on your own, knowing that it won't sell in high volumes and even refuse to bring them to North America. Quote:
Why would you be late for work if you plug the car in to charge over night? You wake up to full batteries every morning, and even a car that's fully warmed up/cooled inside in the garage waiting for you. With gas cars, you waste gas on preheating the cabin and if you park in a garage, the car will fill it up with unburnt gas and carbon monoxide. Some vehicles have figured out battery degradation. Supposedly Tesla have very little battery degradation over the years. New EV/hybrid cars also are legally required to have an 8-year warranty on the batteries. If you look, most hybrids and EVs don't use the full battery capacity. When you don't charge batteries fully and deplete it fully, they degrade very slowly. Of course your smartphones and laptops have more battery degradation as we always charge to 100% and then use them until they have 20% or so left before charging. For short-distance commuting, EV is perfect. Drive it and forget it, and you can dedicate your effort to the fun car. They aren't for everyone, but if I have the money and space for one, I would definitely consider one. Sent from toaster or something
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01-20-2021, 05:56 PM | #118 | |
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An AWD EV Camaro LS/LT model would be great and help with Camaro sales. While SS/ZL1 should remain V8 and rear wheel drive. |
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01-20-2021, 06:00 PM | #119 | |
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With the price of a new EV, you will never break even in gas savings in one or two life-times. Not including the cost of the electricity and the inevitable other road taxes and fees that EVs will soon have far and above gasoline costs. Electricity is no bargain. Ok evs, have no transmission, exhaust, etc. that ICE vehicles have. BFD. Where is the savings on the sticker price of new EVs? I'd buy this thing below, let it charge (outside) on a common extension cord, and be good to go for a work trip, getting groceries, etc. the next day. No nation-wide government controlled charging infrastructure needed. But only if it's at the price they sell for...4,5, or 6K....Then I'll go "EV". |
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01-20-2021, 06:07 PM | #120 | |
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It's not true that the battery degradation is minimal, Tesla is trying to improve efficiency but you still will lose a chunk of your range within 2-3 years. In really cold climates the range is significantly worse. It's true they are good for commuting, in the sense they provide instant torque and are better for the environment, but that's it for the time being. ICE vehicles are just as good if not better for commuting as well. I'm sure the EV tech will get better over time but we are working with what we have today. I have no problem with people wanting an EV. I'd get a hatchback, sporty AWD EV in the future for daily driving. However, problem is they are forcing the industry this way, sports cars will get cancelled and forced to go EV. EV sport coupes/muscle cars will not match their original ICE experience. They lose range quite quickly if you drive aggressively and they can't track for longer periods. They will also be quite boring and there will be less to differentiate between EV sports coupes/muscle cars. If they make a brand new EV coupe or sport sedan or whatever, I am all for it. They should not kill what a Camaro, Mustang , Challenger and Charger are though. They can kill all the CUV's/SUVS they want(that make up majority of sales) since those things come with 1.5l 4 cylinders nowadays and EV is a better application for those vehicles. |
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01-20-2021, 07:42 PM | #121 | |
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There's no way that this passes US crash standards but GM really should look into a similar concept and price point for the US market. Been saying that since the first gen debuted. It's cheap enough to where it's one of those things you just go out and buy on a whim.
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01-20-2021, 09:17 PM | #122 |
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Mercedes just revealed an EV front wheel drive CUV estimated to have 268 miles of range, $50,000, 30 minutes to charge to full if you have rapid charge available to you, otherwise 5 hours plus overnight. 99mph top speed, lmao.
'If you charge it overnight you can get 100 miles range back just like that, isn't that awesome!'. 'Just charge it every night and several times a day during the week'. 'It's amazing stuff'. Did EV people forget that you can fill up an ICE vehicle in 2 minutes, for the whole week? Or at most twice a week? lol. |
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Maybe not. The way Dodge is going the meme below sums it up nicely. And to be honest I'd rather have this van in my driveway next to the Camaro than the Toyota Sienna we have.
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01-21-2021, 08:43 AM | #124 | |
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01-21-2021, 09:51 AM | #125 | |
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And price it extremely affordable. Who knows, an "entry level" ev might sell like hot cakes. Everything offered now is way too expensive, even on the low end, if a low end exists, and still falls short of what an ICE vehicle offers in all types of travel. Especially if you know you are only going to drive it no more than the actual miles each day it takes for a full charge. Those who want to save the planet and have a useful vehicle just for minimal driving at an affordable, economical price, should jump all over this. The price needs to make sense with how it will be used. It needs to compete with used gas car beaters in price and purpose. |
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01-21-2021, 10:19 AM | #126 | |
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Added bonus: plenty of room in the back for snorting blow off a stripper's ass. |
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