02-02-2018, 11:33 AM | #71 |
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Not worrying one bit, don't think the Camaro is going away anytime soon.
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02-02-2018, 12:12 PM | #72 |
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Not sure what the big deal is with sales. It's a kicka$$ car inside and out, period!! If they quit making them, I'll still be driving mine years down the road and smile doing it too.
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02-02-2018, 12:18 PM | #73 | ||
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I don't believe it's the car. Certainly not as the only reason. You're right - I completely mis-associated the numbers in my head. I thought the 1000s figures I remember reading for Viper where monthly...in fact, they were annual. My bad! |
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02-02-2018, 12:52 PM | #74 | |
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Camaro still outsold the Challenger last year and I bet it does again. I've said it a million times, but why does no one think the Challenger writing is on the wall too? The 2018 Challenger shares nothing in common with a 2009 either, so save that excuse. |
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02-02-2018, 01:08 PM | #76 | |
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02-02-2018, 01:44 PM | #78 |
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The Mustang has been ahead of Camaro because of it's lower price. However, for 2018 the Mustang GT base price (with freight) is now $35,995 vs $32,465 for the '17 model.
Load up an '18 Mustang GT Premium Coupe with the Performance Package, mag ride, active exhaust, digital dash, shaker stereo and now you are at 50k or more MSRP. So, no longer is Mustang a cheaper alternative to Camaro.
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02-02-2018, 01:50 PM | #79 |
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I'm not sure what all the whining is about exactly - lots of speculation, pointlessly "discussed" and argued with no real answer. So, to add to it:
I wonder if the 6th gen Camaro is actually *too* good. I'm originally from the UK. American cars are generally considered to be big, wobbly, poor handling beasts in probably just about any country outside of the USA. Classic muscle cars are thought of as cool, but a novelty. Engines too big, guzzling gas like there were a hole in the tank, filling two lanes if driven anywhere but this in their home country. A stereotype for sure, but some truth in it to the extent that most people want a car to be "easy". An extension of their couch that they can just waft to work and back on. A to B and back again without any feel for it or notice of it. Not noticing the car at all is what they want, and anything available to shut it out is more important. If there is any love for the vehicle, it's as an accessory, not the joy of the drive. The 6th gen Camaro SS isn't that at all. It's a driver's car. To get the best of what it offers, you have to love driving. It's not a car for people who cruise along in traffic with their face half in their phone, music blaring, arguing with their passenger/child in the back, or gossiping about the latest issue they feel the need to blabber about. It's not for those who are distracted. It's a true sports car, not at all acting like it's weight. It has dexterity, and enough torque to take any corner sideways whenever you want, if you want, or to be perfectly balanced even on the limit. It's an awesome achievement for what it costs, better than cars twice it's price. Unfortunately, those people who buy the cars twice it's price want the prestige and the label that those cars hold. A Camaro simply isn't serious enough. It'll put many cars to shame, but the buyers of those cars don't even consider it. The majority probably don't even know it exists. Other people simply don't get it. They don't know how to *really* drive a car, and don't see how good it is. For them, it's nothing special. For that money, they want something more comfortable, with a factory sub, and lots of cup holders and floor space for their collection of cups and fast food wrappers, year old mail and used tissues. The kind of people who would probably love the current Camaro are those who drive cars such as the Miata and the 86 GT. They likely "get" a more involving driving experience, and the Camaro destroys those cars in performance. Such people likely also forgive any odd noises, minor body/paint issues, and loose trim. They're used to it, and will fix it themselves if it's too much of a bother to just put up with it, therefore giving them more time to simply enjoy the car. However, it's also a huge step up in price point, and they probably wouldn't look at it for both that reason and the fact that they don't believe it can actually handle like it does. They assume it's for straight lines only, and guzzles gas to boot. So, in summary, the 6th gen is pretty cool. Perfect? No, but a fantastic platform on which to build to perfection with minimal changes (the stock throttle sucks, but that's standard in these times of electronic everything, and an easy fix). My point is, I think... that I have no point. I'm just rambling, like everybody else. Enjoy your cars. They're awesome. All of them. Note: I have a fully loaded 6spd 2016 Camaro 2SS. I have no idea what any other Camaro is like to drive. Mine is simply outstanding, though. And yes, I have track experience and a lot of miles under my belt. Thank you, drive through. |
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Those are some great points man. I agree with everything you said. I have a V6 Camaro with the six-speed manual and rs package and mine is outstanding as well. I've had the 4th 5th and 6th gen Camaro I've had one since my twenties and I'm pushing 40 these days. I have to say this is by far hands down the best off the lot. You're absolutely right about the handling. people will never believe it until they try it. I just happened to stop in at a dealership while driving by and decided to test drive a turbo 4 and I was blown away how it handled. So much so that I put in my factory order for my car Again good wright up man I don't think there's any need to be overly afraid of the Camaro going away anytime soon I think it's here for a while |
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02-02-2018, 03:08 PM | #81 | |
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02-02-2018, 03:21 PM | #82 | |
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Camaro “interest and excitement” peaked in 2010 (which is the 5th gen). This was due to its restarted production after a seven year absence! I’m sure the whole “Transformer movie” hype helped too. GM needs to advertise it better. The 6th gen is world class and most of the public still sees it as a strait line hp machine. That all being said, IT ISN’T GOING ANYWHERE! 👍🏻
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02-02-2018, 03:34 PM | #83 |
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What is fake about it? The data is posted here and on C5 every month and its complete clear back to 2009. They even include total sale of Mustang and Camaro since the beginng.
Just because you dont like the facts doesnt make them fake. Too many people think that way these days. |
02-02-2018, 03:49 PM | #84 | |
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