Rotate 3r's....yes or no?

birdmanf16 · 05-31-2019, 05:07 PM

Can I rotate the supercar 3r tires side to side, or is that a bad idea?

kaamacat · 05-31-2019, 05:37 PM

Yes... They have no left-right designation or forward arrow guide. (I always rotate left/right on a 2-day HPDE event... I get great even wear as well)

birdmanf16 · 06-01-2019, 02:39 PM

Thanks!

Stephen12ZL1 · 06-01-2019, 06:50 PM

rotate left to right...I do it often...just relearn the tire positions with the appropriate relearn tool.

Norm Peterson · 06-02-2019, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen12ZL1

rotate left to right...I do it often...just relearn the tire positions with the appropriate relearn tool.

If you can keep track of where each wheel/tire is, would that even be necessary? Wouldn't a simple translation from "LF tire low" to "it's really on the RF" be good enough?

Norm

Stephen12ZL1 · 06-02-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

If you can keep track of where each wheel/tire is, would that even be necessary? Wouldn't a simple translation from "LF tire low" to "it's really on the RF" be good enough?

Norm

True but I like to look at tire pressures on track in the DIC and prefer to have the tires read in the correct position. It is so simple why not do it. Just remember on a 6spd you have to set the parking brake before this procedure can be performed.

ICTsccaCamaro · 06-03-2019, 12:15 PM

I never did rotate mine but I did flip mount them once as the outside shoulders were getting thin so I could use the inside shoulder to maximize tire life and got really even tire wear

kaamacat · 06-06-2019, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen12ZL1

rotate left to right...I do it often...just relearn the tire positions with the appropriate relearn tool.

Just did a 2-day up at VIR (Mon/Tue) with CHIN, and did my standard L/R swap after Day1 and then did the ReLearn... I like to just keep track of the starting and ending on all 4 after a session. (Side note... started 29cold... became 35warm... car was outstanding!)

Zl1+911 · 06-06-2019, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro

I never did rotate mine but I did flip mount them once as the outside shoulders were getting thin so I could use the inside shoulder to maximize tire life and got really even tire wear

I always thought you could not flip a tire that has an outside and inside denoted? Somthing about the way the tire is constructed?

Bow Tie Fanatic · 06-07-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kaamacat

Just did a 2-day up at VIR (Mon/Tue) with CHIN, and did my standard L/R swap after Day1 and then did the ReLearn... I like to just keep track of the starting and ending on all 4 after a session. (Side note... started 29cold... became 35warm... car was outstanding!)

What kind of laps did you run and do you have any video (maybe PDR)? VIR is so much fun!

ICTsccaCamaro · 06-07-2019, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zl1+911

I always thought you could not flip a tire that has an outside and inside denoted? Somthing about the way the tire is constructed?

Maybe you wont have 100% the same grip due to the tread block size difference from inside to outside but they still felt the same to me on both sides, I would rather get my money's worth out of a tire vs. cording out the outside shoulder and still having half tread on the inside.

carguy55 · 06-07-2019, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zl1+911

I always thought you could not flip a tire that has an outside and inside denoted? Somthing about the way the tire is constructed?

The ones marked with "OUTSIDE" on the side of the tire can be swapped left to right. They are non-directional. Just keep the side marked outside on the outside. Tires marked with an ARROW are directional, but I think there are fewer of those around now days. Too many installers were getting it wrong!

Zl1+911 · 06-10-2019, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by carguy55

The ones marked with "OUTSIDE" on the side of the tire can be swapped left to right. They are non-directional. Just keep the side marked outside on the outside. Tires marked with an ARROW are directional, but I think there are fewer of those around now days. Too many installers were getting it wrong!

right - that's what I thought, but the post above suggests "flipping" the tire - i.e. using the "outside" side on the inside. I am curious if there is any good reason to not do this as I agree- it can certainly extend the tire life for track usage.

Norm Peterson · 06-11-2019, 08:33 AM

Best guess - you'd probably be sacrificing a little performance. Which might be linked to reasons other than asymmetry in the tread design.

Anybody else here remember the Michelin XAS tire?

Norm

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ICTsccaCamaro ITCRNRS Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 1,575	I never did rotate mine but I did flip mount them once as the outside shoulders were getting thin so I could use the inside shoulder to maximize tire life and got really even tire wear Attached Images __________________ 2018 ZL1 1LE Ordered 6/29/17 Built 11/6/17 Delivered 12/7/17, Summit White, PDR, NAV, https://www.youtube.com/c/tylerpotter SOLD: 2014 Summit White 1LE 2SS/RS, Recaros, NPP, NAV, KONI Yellow's SOLD: 2012 Black 2LT/RS, Fully 1LE swapped, Brembo swap

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