Mad intake manifold with ported throttle body

Flashyeezus · 01-20-2019, 01:29 AM

So I plan as part of my build to add an msd atomic intake manifold but buying a ported throttle body I've been told it ain't recommended by certain shops around me . For anyone with experience with this. is it really worth getting or just doing msd atomic manifold only? Throttle bodys are pretty expensive so i don't wanna waste 300$+on nothing. Thanks in advance

*DGthe3* · 01-21-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Flashyeezus

So I plan as part of my build to add an msd atomic intake manifold but buying a ported throttle body I've been told it ain't recommended by certain shops around me . For anyone with experience with this. is it really worth getting or just doing msd atomic manifold only? Throttle bodys are pretty expensive so i don't wanna waste 300$+on nothing. Thanks in advance

Thread moved to LT1 Engine/Exhaust/Bolt-on subforum.
I hope you get some answers to you question.

-DG

JonD · 01-21-2019, 11:11 AM

I’m on the fence with this as well...

For the $ I’m going to gamble on the MSD IM & the Tick performance modded GM 95mm TB. No adapter

Ventmaster · 01-21-2019, 12:04 PM

This topic is discussed at some length here, in case you haven't seen it already.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535959

6spdhyperblue · 01-21-2019, 01:21 PM

I would do the tick combo with the 95mm

G2K · 01-22-2019, 10:40 AM

I have the MSD and 95mm ported TB combo from Pray Performance... 100% worth it.

I would get it and look for another shop too, they obviously have no experience with 6th gen if they are willing to say that. 6th gens have been out for over 3 years already with tons and tons of data and comparisons proving they are worth it.

KingLT1 · 01-22-2019, 11:05 AM

Pray just had a bolt-on only M6 car with his ported stock IM/TB combo run 10.85 @ 126. I am not convinced the MSD does anything for a bolt-on car in the 1/4mi. Perhaps for roll racing events it has a slight edge. Heads/cam combos do benefit from the ported MSD/95.

MP3BOOSTED · 01-22-2019, 11:23 AM

i run a ported msd intake manifold and ported throttle body, i have no complaints

JonD · 01-22-2019, 11:25 AM

Just look at a bolt on car dyno where the HP dumps up top and compare it to a bolt-on car that has at least the MSD as the HP doesn’t fall off. I’d say that’s big time usable power that will translate to much better time and the all mighty Butt-Dyno

G2K · 01-22-2019, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

Pray just had a bolt-on only M6 car with his ported stock IM/TB combo run 10.85 @ 126. I am not convinced the MSD does anything for a bolt-on car in the 1/4mi. Perhaps for roll racing events it has a slight edge. Heads/cam combos do benefit from the ported MSD/95.

I think the OP is talking about a Ported TB, is it worth it or not.

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So I plan as part of my build to add an msd atomic intake manifold but buying a ported throttle body I've been told it ain't recommended by certain shops around me . For anyone with experience with this. is it really worth getting or just doing msd atomic manifold only? Throttle bodys are pretty expensive so i don't wanna waste 300$+on nothing. Thanks in advance

PRAY · 01-22-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JonD

Just look at a bolt on car dyno where the HP dumps up top and compare it to a bolt-on car that has at least the MSD as the HP doesn’t fall off. I’d say that’s big time usable power that will translate to much better time and the all mighty Butt-Dyno

Unfortunately, buddy, the butt dyno is wrong. The testing below and the testing on three other cars have proven no significant gains from ported stock to ported MSD. The up top power just isn't there long enough to make a significant difference. The car below had a 4C converter, ported heads and was dialed in for the MSD. The ported heads are the only thing that had the ported MSD up on power anywhere in the graph. Ported MSD numbers are on top. I have produced many other graphs in other threads proving the point. Now ported MSD/TB will show gains over completely stock.

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KingLT1 · 01-23-2019, 08:38 AM

Class is dismissed.

JonD · 01-23-2019, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PRAY

Unfortunately, buddy, the butt dyno is wrong. The testing below and the testing on three other cars have proven no significant gains from ported stock to ported MSD. The up top power just isn't there long enough to make a significant difference. The car below had a 4C converter, ported heads and was dialed in for the MSD. The ported heads are the only thing that had the ported MSD up on power anywhere in the graph. Ported MSD numbers are on top. I have produced many other graphs in other threads proving the point. Now ported MSD/TB will show gains over completely stock.

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Real quick bud where did I mention ported stock to ported MSD? So your saying you will not notice upper gains going from the stock manifold to an MSD... unless you port the manifold OR at least add the 95mm TB/Ported as well? Bolt on car, not Heads...etc

Help me understand what you’re saying as No I do not search the forums for past threads like some people with endless time.

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Class is dismissed.

That’s cute, I fully expect flack on stuff so he can answer questions without bandwagon support as it’s clearly not needed with his history

KingLT1 · 01-23-2019, 09:35 AM

It's ok to be wrong sweetie.

01-20-2019, 01:29 AM	#1
Flashyeezus SS Drives: 2018 ss Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: CA Posts: 41	Mad intake manifold with ported throttle body So I plan as part of my build to add an msd atomic intake manifold but buying a ported throttle body I've been told it ain't recommended by certain shops around me . For anyone with experience with this. is it really worth getting or just doing msd atomic manifold only? Throttle bodys are pretty expensive so i don't wanna waste 300$+on nothing. Thanks in advance

01-21-2019, 11:11 AM	#3
JonD Drives: 2018 SS 1LE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Arizona Posts: 292	I’m on the fence with this as well... For the $ I’m going to gamble on the MSD IM & the Tick performance modded GM 95mm TB. No adapter __________________ 🌽 Sauced, 2018 SS 1LE - 123mph @ 5,000 DA ARH 2”x3” FULL System, Pray Ported MSD Intake Manifold, Pray Ported GM 95mm TB, RotoFab CAI, DsX e85 Kit, MightyMouse Catch Can, NicD Tune https://instagram.com/corn_sauced?ut...d=o0ako89uurwl

01-21-2019, 01:21 PM	#5
6spdhyperblue Drives: 6th gen Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: US Posts: 3,675	I would do the tick combo with the 95mm __________________ ‘22 2SS 1LE M6 Summit White - RF, Flexfuel, LT2 intake, 95mm tb, ATI udp, VT ramair, full 28” dragpack - 11.68@122 ‘16 1SS M6 LT2 intake + boltons on DR 11.0@126+ (Sold)

01-22-2019, 10:40 AM	#6
G2K @Blackmamba_1LE Drives: 2017 1LE Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 740	I have the MSD and 95mm ported TB combo from Pray Performance... 100% worth it. I would get it and look for another shop too, they obviously have no experience with 6th gen if they are willing to say that. 6th gens have been out for over 3 years already with tons and tons of data and comparisons proving they are worth it. __________________ OG: Pray Perf FBO ET:11.5 @119 THEN:LT4 SC, E85 + Meth :10.6 @135 NOW: H/C Whipple 416ci

01-22-2019, 11:05 AM	#7
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,798	Pray just had a bolt-on only M6 car with his ported stock IM/TB combo run 10.85 @ 126. I am not convinced the MSD does anything for a bolt-on car in the 1/4mi. Perhaps for roll racing events it has a slight edge. Heads/cam combos do benefit from the ported MSD/95. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

01-21-2019, 12:04 PM	#4
Ventmaster Drives: 2017 1SS 6spd Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Utah Posts: 2,869	This topic is discussed at some length here, in case you haven't seen it already. https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535959

01-22-2019, 11:23 AM	#8
MP3BOOSTED Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 1LE (F1A-94 FBO H/C) Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 843	i run a ported msd intake manifold and ported throttle body, i have no complaints __________________ Performance Mods: F1A-94, DSX Flex Fuel Kit, MSD Spark Plug Wires, KOOK 2" off road headers, MBRP Race catback exhaust, Pray Performance Custom Boost Cam, Rocker Arm Trunion Upgrade Kit, 7.850" Hardened Chromemoly Length Pushrods and Johnson Racing 2110R Lifters, TSP CNC'd Heads, Ported MSD intake manifold, 103mm Katech Throttle body, Forged Pistons/Rods, RPM Meth kit, DSX Aux Fuel system, AEM Failsafe and banks gauge, LT4 HPFP, LT4 injectors, BMR motor mounts, Hurst Short Throw, Manley SS exhaust valves Videos of my car? Check here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNi...Qy1OL4NVGlPogw

01-22-2019, 11:25 AM	#9
JonD Drives: 2018 SS 1LE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Arizona Posts: 292	Just look at a bolt on car dyno where the HP dumps up top and compare it to a bolt-on car that has at least the MSD as the HP doesn’t fall off. I’d say that’s big time usable power that will translate to much better time and the all mighty Butt-Dyno __________________ 🌽 Sauced, 2018 SS 1LE - 123mph @ 5,000 DA ARH 2”x3” FULL System, Pray Ported MSD Intake Manifold, Pray Ported GM 95mm TB, RotoFab CAI, DsX e85 Kit, MightyMouse Catch Can, NicD Tune https://instagram.com/corn_sauced?ut...d=o0ako89uurwl Last edited by JonD; 01-22-2019 at 01:34 PM.

01-23-2019, 08:38 AM	#12
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,798	Class is dismissed. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

01-23-2019, 09:35 AM	#14
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,798	It's ok to be wrong sweetie. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

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