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Old 03-15-2017, 09:19 PM   #29
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I hope you guys aren't tracking your cars ... because they will not handle as well as stock since these are lowering springs for the softer SS suspension and are no longer matched to your 1LE shocks....
"you guys" - I'm the only one that did it - As I was willing to be the guinea pig.

And going in, I knew there was the possibility of the 1LE springs being stiffer than even aftermarket ones, but since the 1LE springs rates were not published (and to this day, still aren't) - It was obviously a leap of faith.

However I will say that saying someone cant track their car with softer springs is like saying you can't track your car because you wen't from R-Comp tires to one step down tires... You definitely can, however you have to drive within the new limits of the car. So your statement is not only obvious but a little short-sighted.

As I said before... time will tell with these cars.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:45 AM   #30
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Very good!
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:16 AM   #31
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I hope you guys aren't tracking your cars ... because they will not handle as well as stock since these are lowering springs for the softer SS suspension and are no longer matched to your 1LE shocks....
Ehh yes and no. In theory, the lowering of cg may impact the camber curve and roll center but the lowering here seems really minimal. Then you go into the spring rate difference and while the factory springs are stiffer, I can assure you it's not hundreds of lbs difference in rate. So you're left at what the wheelrate difference really is and that we don't know yet. I'd speculate that for this small change, the driver will still be the largest variance around a race track. More than likely, the car will just be a little overdamped on Track mode.

Dropping the springs off at the shop today for testing. They're backed up due to race season so I'll see if they can speed the testing up.
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Old 03-16-2017, 07:28 AM   #32
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I hope you guys aren't tracking your cars ... because they will not handle as well as stock since these are lowering springs for the softer SS suspension and are no longer matched to your 1LE shocks....
The SS and SS 1LE have the same MRC dampers...they just have different calibrations.
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Old 03-16-2017, 08:41 AM   #33
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The SS and SS 1LE have the same MRC dampers...they just have different calibrations.
I think he was referring to the spring rates not the dampers.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:49 AM   #34
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I think he was referring to the spring rates not the dampers.
He did say "shocks", so who knows lol...
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:56 AM   #35
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Dropping the springs off at the shop today for testing. They're backed up due to race season so I'll see if they can speed the testing up.
Let's hope so - That info might be the most useful to the community will get in a little while.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:26 PM   #36
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Let's hope so - That info might be the most useful to the community will get in a little while.
Dropped off at lunch. Could be a couple weeks according to RRT due to how busy they are right before race season. I'll call them back next week to check status. Hurry up and wait, guys. My apologies.
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:04 PM   #37
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Dropped off at lunch. Could be a couple weeks according to RRT due to how busy they are right before race season. I'll call them back next week to check status. Hurry up and wait, guys. My apologies.
At least you're getting this done - Which is more than any other 1LE owner's have.




In other news, put some miles on the car today with the fiancee, it feels great in tour... More GT car than race car... but if you want race car, just put it in Sport and it feels like it did on stock springs.
I just wish the front fender gap was a little lessened.

I think the perfect spring for a 1LE is basically the stock spring rate or like 5% softer at max, and drops 1in all around....
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:27 PM   #38
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Posting an update here to say that F1FTY has posted in another thread with the update that RRT will be testing the springs early next week and he will provide their findings shortly after
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:22 PM   #39
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I don't understand why people buy this car, which numerous tests have shown to have world class handling, and the first change they make is to tires and suspensions. Probably 99.999% of these changes are reducing the capability of these cars. The GM engineers and drivers are pros, seat of the pants be damned, you are not making your cars handle better the overwhelming majority of the time.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:49 PM   #40
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I don't understand why people buy this car, which numerous tests have shown to have world class handling, and the first change they make is to tires and suspensions. Probably 99.999% of these changes are reducing the capability of these cars. The GM engineers and drivers are pros, seat of the pants be damned, you are not making your cars handle better the overwhelming majority of the time.
I'm pretty sure these guys know they aren't making the car perform better, they are customizing the car to fit their needs. I don't see any problem with that. If an owner wants the car a little lower for aesthetics and a little softer for comfort, who cares?
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:19 PM   #41
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Throw me in the crazy category because I'm putting a supercharger on mine! Then again then engineers are doing the same too. You can always improve on a car. Even if it's just your perception... But then again it's your car!
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:51 PM   #42
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I don't understand why people buy this car, which numerous tests have shown to have world class handling, and the first change they make is to tires and suspensions. Probably 99.999% of these changes are reducing the capability of these cars. The GM engineers and drivers are pros, seat of the pants be damned, you are not making your cars handle better the overwhelming majority of the time.
I see the same type of thinking in the Porsche world. People are very strict that the car stays OEM parts only, because German Engineers.

At the end of the day, say you wanted to keep the car 110% OEM. What would you get out of doing that?

1. Warranty
2. Reliability
3. Easier to sell used/trade-in
4. Cheaper

If a person doesn't care about 1, determines the risk of 2 isn't that great, has no plans to do 3 anytime soon, then that only leaves 4....and for most, this is a hobby that they're ok with spending disposable income on.

The other factor could be longterm collectibility for purposes of hoping values would go up on a pristine 1LE once it reaches the classic car market, but...you'd be better served speculating in some index funds.

As far as performance...let's be honest about our driving abilities....we're talking about the 99th percentile of drivers that could maximize the car from the factory....let alone someone that's determining the 0.01g of traction circle difference from Eibachs.

Also, if 1LE owners head to the track, they shouldn't run OEM brake pads...are upgraded pads a safe change to the world class 1LE?

Camaro = disposable income = spend
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