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04-06-2020, 08:48 PM | #201 |
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I read this entire thread and there are some great points written about why the camaro is failing in sales. Some folks pointed out putting an LT5 in the camaro would help. I personally would love to see that but I don't think it would help one bit. Chevy barely sells ZL1 Camaro's so adding more power to it and increasing the price due to a better engine, suspension, wheels, tires, brakes, etc (because you know they aren't just going to give the car more power and call it a day) isn't going to help one bit.
Also those of you who ragged on Chevy for putting "10 year old engine in the z28" must not know truly how capable the LS7 was/still is. I would take that motor over the Voodoo and any other NA engine out there. It's still that good despite the major flaw it has in regards to valve's dropping but I would address that. As other's have mentioned, Chevy needs to advertise and make the V6 and Turbo 4 car more interesting. Maybe drop the price a bit on them as well. Next time you are on the road, count how many mustangs you see through the course of the week and take note of whether or not they are a V8 or a turbo 4/V6. I bet the ratio will be 1.5 V8's for every 10 mustang's you see. SS/GT/RT cars just aren't the cars that sell for these companies. You need to make sure the base models sell by making them more attractive with nice options packages, then try to focus on the V8's selling. I and everyone on this board who are true auto enthusiasts are a VERY small percentage of buyers. |
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Since I bought this car, I've always wished it was a hatchback, like the Camaros I remember from when I was a kid. The trunk lid is just too small to be practical, the back seats are worthless too, but I totally accept that. My main complaint is that there is plenty of cargo space (with the back seats down) it's just not accessible.
But I bought my car as a daily driver, I'm sure that's not a concern for many of you. I love driving the car and now that's she's paid off I expect I will keep on driving her for quite a while until either life gets in the way or she hits the typical Chevy 100k miles or 10 years mark. But, I'm unlikely to buy another any time soon. |
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04-06-2020, 10:25 PM | #204 | |
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Will there be a Gen7? Not sure. And if there is will Chevy address some or all of these shortcomings to win market share? It makes sense they would, and if so hopefully not at the expense of the high performance limits of the Gen6 model. One thing that does need to change is the long product lifecycles of Camaro and Corvette. The car business is changing at a pace the Big Three will struggle to keep up with using current product life cycles. Gone are the days when a MY goes 8 or more years. C8 might be an exception for payback reasons, but afterward, I'd expect a new MY every 60 months or less, give or take a bit here and there. Revisiting the "parts bin" car approach. I'd love to see a C8 with the Blackwing V8 twin-turbo DOHC motor only with VVT Turbos instead of Twin Scroll. Now that would be exciting! Of course, this won't happen. If the rumors hold true we may end up with a Flat-Plane V8 with the Z06/ZR1 using a single or maybe twin turbos. Still exciting but I'm not a FP fan and don't know if I ever will be. I totally understand the advantages of FP, but the cons override these for me. I like reliable cars/engines with cheap (relative) maintenance costs. Look at Ferrari and the cost to maintain these FP engines. There is a reason for the "Factory recommended" maintenance intervals with a five-figure bill at the end of the process. No thanks, keep mine cross plane and simple with low maintenance, again relative. |
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Well Challenger has had a 12 year life cycle on the Challenger and a 15 year on the Charger, Chevy reduced their target market by staying too focused they way they did.
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The Camaro is primarily a car purchased by males, and younger males at that. Older males will typically move to the corvette.
I don’t know one female that has a Camaro. I very rarely see a female driving a Camaro. For example my sister has a Mustang, a girl down the street has a Mustang, a gal where I work has a Mustang, a receptionist at a client I see has a mustang, my cousin and his wife just bought a Mustang. Unlike the Camaro, Mustangs seem to cross the sexes more.
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04-07-2020, 01:14 PM | #208 |
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In the end - higher sales doesn't mean the car is better. People buy for a lot of reasons.
I for one am function over style everyday, and regardless of trim level, the Camaro excels on every variant over its equivalent with Ford or CFA
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Maybe bunker layout, it can't be interior layout or quality
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