Need some opinions fellas f1x or apg twins - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

SHERMAN · 05-13-2018, 11:18 PM

Car is a 416 with a f1a 12 rib currently. It has ported heads, JRE blower cam, squash with id1000s, all forged, 100% meth /93 , manual car. Just want some honest opinions between the 2. Im wanting more power and i will 1/4 mile the car 3-4 times a year but may also auto x it a couple times. Thanks for any input.
Probably doesnt matter but it has rpm level 7 trans and a dss 9" conversion 3.50 ratio so it should take what we can throw at it for a little while anyhow.

ttshovel · 05-14-2018, 12:24 AM

sell the blower setup and go twins. You'll be much happier never having to worry about belt issues again

BiggFoot · 05-14-2018, 06:32 AM

SHERMAN · 05-14-2018, 12:41 PM

Great now I’m split 50/50 lol

mrimpala02 · 05-14-2018, 01:09 PM

LOL! I'm gonna vote for AGP. I have has both centri and now TT. I prefer the TT for my style of driving. It is also a huge plus that you can easily dial in how much power you want (depending on turbos) with your boost controller.

No belt slip, no pulley swaps. Right now I'm running 800 rwhp, swap over to stronger engine, same turbos to crank out +1000 rwhp.

Moreair1 · 05-14-2018, 01:15 PM

Agp plus a bigger set of injectors, but first i would check how well your current cam will do with tt since its a blower cam that may make the choice for you easier

robrocketanski · 05-14-2018, 01:31 PM

https://huronspeed.com/

But I do think a F1X would be cool.

dreksnot · 05-14-2018, 03:19 PM

Why are you questioning in the first place? Are you happy or not happy with your F1A? Going twins is definitely a plus, but the F1X is a monster too...

-Im.z2ight- · 05-14-2018, 03:24 PM

I say twins but I am biased.

blake-b · 05-14-2018, 03:33 PM

Twin 61mms (dynoed in 5th gear) VS YSi (dynoed in 4th gear) on same 377ci engine. Peak HP for both setups was 1026 but look at the difference in torque. A centri does not produce the torque turbos will. Smaller turbos would have brought the torque on sooner. The car had to be dynoed in 5th with the turbos because it was shutting down the dyno. Estimated at 1130whp in 4th.

Juiced1 · 05-14-2018, 04:10 PM

Turbos are a great way to go but if you're already that invested in your Procharger there is nothing wrong with the F1X

stevieturbo · 05-14-2018, 05:23 PM

I dont treally think you can compare the two dyno graphs when run in different gears like that. I know 10 years ago when i had my car on a dynapack I had to run in 5th too because it overloaded the dyno in 4th.

TBH the numbers it came up with were just silly though

Although as for a blower or turbos...

If you're perfectly happy with how the F1 performs, sounds, drives etc etc and does an F1X bolt into the same brackets etc ?
Then that surely has to be the most sensible and cheapest option.

That said, reading YB would put you off as a lot of F1X's seem to go bang !

If you are not all happy with the above, then turbos make for a very versatile option, quiet, smooth etc

Really, they're 2 very different, but both excellent power adders.

blake-b · 05-14-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

I dont treally think you can compare the two dyno graphs when run in different gears like that. I know 10 years ago when i had my car on a dynapack I had to run in 5th too because it overloaded the dyno in 4th.

TBH the numbers it came up with were just silly though

Although as for a blower or turbos...

If you're perfectly happy with how the F1 performs, sounds, drives etc etc and does an F1X bolt into the same brackets etc ?
Then that surely has to be the most sensible and cheapest option.

That said, reading YB would put you off as a lot of F1X's seem to go bang !

If you are not all happy with the above, then turbos make for a very versatile option, quiet, smooth etc

Really, they're 2 very different, but both excellent power adders.

I agree but that is all I had to show the differences visually on the same chart.

I, too, remember on yellowbullet recently people complaining of their F1X's blowing up even after being freshly rebuilt.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?t=2449010
According to the last two posts in the thread, the issue seems to be with cog drives and the serpentine drive belt system seems to be the bandaid (Sorry BiggFoot!)

stevieturbo · 05-14-2018, 05:34 PM

I really dont think a graph can tell a true picture of the differences though...although as there really are so many sizing options with turbos...again, there can be so many answers.

I can say that for the most part, my YSI was more exciting than the turbos simply because throttle response as instant everywhere. And dont think for one second that at low rpm when they are not making visible boost....that they are not helping performance. They are.

But I can make more power with the turbos, they're quieter, more discrete...and I like that. And no worries over belts. And far more flexible in terms of power to the driver via boost control ( and yes I have also used boost control with the blower, but in no way whatsoever is it as good or flexible and many will say it can be hard on the blower )

Really there is no right or wrong answer, they're both great.

05-13-2018, 11:18 PM	#1
SHERMAN Drives: 2010 2ssrs Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 39	Need some opinions fellas f1x or apg twins Car is a 416 with a f1a 12 rib currently. It has ported heads, JRE blower cam, squash with id1000s, all forged, 100% meth /93 , manual car. Just want some honest opinions between the 2. Im wanting more power and i will 1/4 mile the car 3-4 times a year but may also auto x it a couple times. Thanks for any input. Probably doesnt matter but it has rpm level 7 trans and a dss 9" conversion 3.50 ratio so it should take what we can throw at it for a little while anyhow.

05-14-2018, 12:24 AM	#2
ttshovel Drives: 12 camaro ss, 72 chevelle, 91camaro Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: findlay,oh Posts: 2,069	sell the blower setup and go twins. You'll be much happier never having to worry about belt issues again __________________ 12 camaro ss 427lsx, th400, f310 heads, crower shaft mounts, gpi specd solid roller, shearerfab 2k hp a/w, twin bullseye 88mm turbos, hughes pro ssx bolt together converter, holley dominator, 8.50 cert, backhalf, Ford 9", 33x17x16 tires, c16 fuel Last edited by ttshovel; 05-14-2018 at 03:09 PM.

05-14-2018, 06:32 AM	#3
BiggFoot Drives: 2010 Camaro (M6) 1000+ HP SBE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 1,391	__________________ F-1X, Cog Drive, ATI Super Pulley/Sprag ~ 19 psi Blower Cam Brodix BP BR 3 Heads Kooks LT Headers and full 3" exhaust Fore Triple Pump Fuel System with ID 1700X Injectors - E85 conversion DSS 9” Conversion (1400 hp axles, driveshaft, pumpkin) & Strange 3.70 gears McLeod RXT Twin HD Clutch & Upgraded Slave RPM Level VII TR6060 BMR Drag Suspension Package w/Strange shocks Carlyle 15" and M/T ET Street R radials 10.1 @ 143 mph 1/4 mile

05-14-2018, 01:09 PM	#5
mrimpala02 Drives: Black 2SS RS w/White Stripes Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 775	LOL! I'm gonna vote for AGP. I have has both centri and now TT. I prefer the TT for my style of driving. It is also a huge plus that you can easily dial in how much power you want (depending on turbos) with your boost controller. No belt slip, no pulley swaps. Right now I'm running 800 rwhp, swap over to stronger engine, same turbos to crank out +1000 rwhp. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS "ChriSStine": Pat G Custom Turbo CamMotion Camshaft \| AGP TT BB Garrett 62/65's \| AGP/Fore Triple Pumps \| ID1700X Injectors \| Alky Control Twin Nozzle Meth \| Custom 3" Exhaust \| 3.27 gear set w/ Tru Trac \| McLeod Twin RXT \| Barton Short Throw Shifter \| 6th Gen ZL1 Wheels \| BMR 1.4" drop springs \| Pfadt rear trailing arms & tie rods \| Installed by Me & Tuned by Pat G

05-14-2018, 01:15 PM	#6
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Agp plus a bigger set of injectors, but first i would check how well your current cam will do with tt since its a blower cam that may make the choice for you easier __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

05-14-2018, 12:41 PM	#4
SHERMAN Drives: 2010 2ssrs Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Kalispell, MT Posts: 39	Great now I’m split 50/50 lol

05-14-2018, 01:31 PM	#7
robrocketanski Drives: ZL1 Convertible Auto Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Macomb, Michigan Posts: 330	https://huronspeed.com/ But I do think a F1X would be cool. __________________ LS3 intake and throttle body, Huron Speed Products twin turbo with 6265 oil less turbos, and 3" header back, JRE smooth cam, ID1300, Fore dual 450lph pumps with MSD voltage booster, A6, 305/45/17 MT Street R

05-14-2018, 03:19 PM	#8
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 13 Camaro LSX434 TT M6, 21 ZLE A10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,603 View My Garage	Why are you questioning in the first place? Are you happy or not happy with your F1A? Going twins is definitely a plus, but the F1X is a monster too... __________________ In excess of 1,000WHP LSX434 \| AGP 65/65 TT \| BTR Equalizer Intake \| Trickflow 245cc cathedral \| BTR custom cam \| Cortex EBC \| n2mb WOT \| ID-1700x \| Brisk GR12S \| RPM Lv 7 TR6060 \| AGP's Triple 525LPH Fore Fuel \| Monster LT1-S Triple \| 4.11 DSS Proform 9", CF driveshaft, 1400hp axles \| Hurst Line Lock \| MGW Retro Short Throw w/old skool Hurst T-handle \| ADM solid subframe mounts \| Prothane Motor Mounts \| Revshift Poly Trans insert \| Moreno camber/caster plates

05-14-2018, 03:24 PM	#9
-Im.z2ight- Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS "Diablo" Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: California Posts: 135	I say twins but I am biased. __________________ Diablo - 2013 Camaro 2SS Mod List: GM NPP Dual mode exhaust(Fuse pulled), AGP Twin Turbo 54/57, ZL1 Fuel pump with flex fuel sensor, ADM FPCM, ID1000 Injectors, diamond racing forged pistons, BTR twin turbo cam stage 2, Lunati forged H beam rods, BTR trunnions, ARP head studs, Vararam power wedge, MightyMouse Wild catch can, PFADT 1.25" drop springs, BMR Strut tower brace, 20x10.5 Giovanna Mecca rear and 20x9 Giovanna Mecca fronts, R1 Concepts drilled and slotted rotors, Hawk HPS pads, Night Owl RGB halo kit, and more... Future Mods: Dual fuel pump and more...

05-14-2018, 03:33 PM	#10
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	Twin 61mms (dynoed in 5th gear) VS YSi (dynoed in 4th gear) on same 377ci engine. Peak HP for both setups was 1026 but look at the difference in torque. A centri does not produce the torque turbos will. Smaller turbos would have brought the torque on sooner. The car had to be dynoed in 5th with the turbos because it was shutting down the dyno. Estimated at 1130whp in 4th.

05-14-2018, 04:10 PM	#11
Juiced1 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 2SS CAMARO 45th Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: St. Charles, IL Posts: 18,663	Turbos are a great way to go but if you're already that invested in your Procharger there is nothing wrong with the F1X

05-14-2018, 05:23 PM	#12
stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,126	I dont treally think you can compare the two dyno graphs when run in different gears like that. I know 10 years ago when i had my car on a dynapack I had to run in 5th too because it overloaded the dyno in 4th. TBH the numbers it came up with were just silly though Although as for a blower or turbos... If you're perfectly happy with how the F1 performs, sounds, drives etc etc and does an F1X bolt into the same brackets etc ? Then that surely has to be the most sensible and cheapest option. That said, reading YB would put you off as a lot of F1X's seem to go bang ! If you are not all happy with the above, then turbos make for a very versatile option, quiet, smooth etc Really, they're 2 very different, but both excellent power adders.

05-14-2018, 05:34 PM	#14
stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,126	I really dont think a graph can tell a true picture of the differences though...although as there really are so many sizing options with turbos...again, there can be so many answers. I can say that for the most part, my YSI was more exciting than the turbos simply because throttle response as instant everywhere. And dont think for one second that at low rpm when they are not making visible boost....that they are not helping performance. They are. But I can make more power with the turbos, they're quieter, more discrete...and I like that. And no worries over belts. And far more flexible in terms of power to the driver via boost control ( and yes I have also used boost control with the blower, but in no way whatsoever is it as good or flexible and many will say it can be hard on the blower ) Really there is no right or wrong answer, they're both great.