[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Yeah well no matter what car companies today want to tell us, THESE are SUVs:

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The Mach E is an electric station wagon.

There is the city/soccer mom SUV and there is the offroad/real SUV.

To give Ford some credit, Bronco is more faithful to its origin than Blazer.

And actual station wagons are cool. They are more like sedans and not nearly as tall.

[Realist]

ZL1 should be available with manual trans and sweet looking performance seats similar to Vette. I think it would be neat if GM started numbering the high trim levels like ZL1, Z06 and ZR1s.

[MackSteelPrivateEye]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

yea, and they suck. Paint that crap on and cover it in clear. Stickers mucking up a glass like surface is low class. And I want to break people's brains with a 7th gen 3rd gen camaro that's simultaneously synonymous with mullets and causes their kids to have whiplash and wonder why their family doesn't drive the car they just saw flying by them and is more owner friendly than their car and higher performing and less polluting than the competition due to weight savings.

Sure, it'll suck in crash testing (relatively) ... But that's solved by not crashing your car.

Most 3M stripes and others are so advanced they can out last the paint of the car. Unlike the old stripe kits that would crack fade and peel.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Number 3

As I said pre Gen6, make it a great coupe first, then a Camaro. All they did was give us the greatest Camaro ever.....but a poor coupe.

The issue is as coupe volumes fall, they will have to appear to a broader customer base to survive. With 30,000 per year the Camaro is on life support.

Have to agree here. I doubt that performance would have taken much of a hit if all they would have done was step back a bit from the chopped top look and improve the outward visibility. An inch here, maybe half an inch there kind of stuff.

Loved mine [Chevy SS] but it was dated when I bought it.

This really isn't Chevy's problem. It's people - people in general here - growing up with an attitude that anything that isn't new is by some odd reasoning substandard.


Norm

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

There is the city/soccer mom SUV and there is the offroad/real SUV.

The SUV is the one that can go off road and is built on a full frame chassis.


Anything less is a station wagon or family sedan. They can make all sorts of different acronyms and call it anything they want. But in the end it either can or cannot go off road without breaking a tie rod or tearing a drive shaft.

But it has all wheel drive and bigger tires....... ooooooh

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

The SUV is the one that can go off road and is built on a full frame chassis.

Anything less is a station wagon or family sedan. But it has all wheel drive and bigger tires....... ooooooh

Most (all?) SUV's show on the registration as Station Wagon.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

I have to disagree here. If a plastic dash saves money for a great looking and performing car, I'm all for it. The cars are already expensive. Other than when you clean, do you guys touch your dash that often? I don't understand the obsession with making the car even more unaffordable for fancy things I'll never touch.

I'm with you on this. Don't want an car interior that's too pretentious for the way I see myself or the way I use my cars.

As out-of-fashion as this is probably going to sound, I buy my cars to suit me, not to impress other people.


Norm

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I'm with you on this. Don't want an car interior that's too pretentious for the way I see myself or the way I use my cars.

As out-of-fashion as this is probably going to sound, I buy my cars to suit me, not to impress other people.


Norm

The problem with cheap, hard plastic is that it's prone to squeaks and rattles. Especially over time being in the elements of expanding and contracting.

The soft touch stuff is nice to touch, but really, it to eliminate squeaks and rattles. I had a 2000 Prelude with soft touch materials in the entire interior. I bought it new in December of 1999 and sold it in May of 2010 with 225,000 miles and it STILL did not ever squeak or rattle once. Ever. Solid as a bank vault.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Yeah well no matter what car companies today want to tell us, THESE are SUVs:

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The Mach E is an electric station wagon.

Your pictures are of traditional SUVs. Most of what the car companies are calling SUVs today still have at least limited off-road capability beyond anything that a sedan would be able to cope with.

At the very best, that Mach E thing is a crossover. It's definitely too tall to be a station wagon in the traditional sedan-based sense.


Norm

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

The Mach E is an electric station wagon.

If it only were a station wagon, that would be cool! like a CTS-V wagon.

[genxer]

Modern cool wagons are more like boxy hatchbacks. Old rwd station wagons carried a stigma from flabby '70s styling (and I consider any more than a 2/3 year 2nd gen homage a mistake). SUVs very often have a BLOAT styling problem (and Mach-E crosses the Rubicon, or Aztekon?, there).

[init4fun]

I wouldn't change much. Give me a V8, with a decent Automatic and 500ish HP. Lose all the electronic crap that I don't need and make the car $40K.

And fix that F*@king nose.