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11-14-2019, 08:07 AM | #4510 |
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Both companies have built plenty of crappy motors and great motors.
Fact of the matter is, gm has built modern dohc performance motors for cadillac and they have not shown to be reliable. Since the first gen coyote was so reliable, I actually trust ford more for a dohc v8. Look at the the cadi 2.0t, and the v6 TT in the vsport and ats-v. Not reliable at all. I’d be driving one if they were. |
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I don't trust either (Voodoo oil consumption for example), the Italians have the most experience, and those are hit or miss as well.
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MT did a little comparison of the GT350 and GT500.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...y-gt350-gt500/ I wonder when they are going to be able to do their full line of testing |
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Point is, gm only really had one great dohc v8, and it was designed by lotus for the c4 zr1 Then they had the northstar, and that thing sucked. They have zero history as far as I know of ever developing a dohc v8 that didn’t suck. And ford built pretty much the best dohc budget v8’s ever, the coyote. Really not a ford or gm guy, but if you look at history gm has only ever had success with pushrod v8’s, and they are so good at it that they are still used today and pretty much crush everything in regards to hp/weight, hp/physical size, hp/cost, hp/efficiency. The only major downside they have is the powerband. |
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11-14-2019, 09:51 AM | #4514 |
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MartinJlm had some information with regards to the Lotus ZR1 engine and if I remember correctly it was the most expensive engine GM ever made and the heads were one off's.
My experience with GM engines was 70's and 80's and Olds vs Chevy, and 455,350,403,307 Olds vs 350, 305 Chevy and I can say that those Chevy engine's could not stand up to the Olds in any way. The latest LS engine's from what I have gleamed from various sources is that they are a great engines, I have also had a couple of the Ford 4.6L and have no issues with them at all even with the plastic intakes that are said to fail. Last edited by rocket403; 11-14-2019 at 10:10 AM. |
11-14-2019, 11:18 AM | #4515 |
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Just imagine being one of the Chevy engineers they called. (Assuming they really did speak with actual Chevy engineers). Wouldn't you be both shocked and horrified? I certainly would. What could you possibly say to such a call? If GM had really sent out a ringer,I don't think the enthusiast community would take very well to it.
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Thanks Martin I know you would set me straight LOL
On a side note I have a funny/not funny story on a ZR1 depending on who you were. I was putting myself through college by working at a GM dealer the ZR1 was the top Vette and we had one in the showroom, turns out this guy came in and wanted to test drive it, the salesman and the customer went out for the testdrive guy says he wants to buy it (cost at the time was 92K Can) so they stop for coffee (Canadian thing) and salesman gets the coffee comes out and the car is gone with the customer. They never found the car and we found it funny that the salesman got dupped, and lost his job. I was able to drive every car GM made from 88 to 91 and I really liked the ZR1 I had driven a couple of them. |
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The weakness in the Olds engines is pretty well documented. BTW. The 305 wasn't a performance engine but it did ok in my 84 Monte SS
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When building an Olds Engine you needed to spend a lot of time with the oiling system enlarge the oil holes in the crank, go with a high volume pump larger oil pan etc.
I had only small block Chevy engines never had anything bigger so can't comment on them |
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I had the 305 in my 79 Cutlass ended up replacing it because of Cam failure and I didn't want to spend money on a turd of an engine picked up a 350 Chevy it was good engine for awhile then had a litter collapse more Cam issues replaced with nice Edelbrock unit with intake and Chain ran good for a little bit then valve seats had the classic blue smoke on startup (Classic Chevy Issues in the 80's with their small blocks)
After that I would never have a Chevy in an Olds. In the years working at dealership the biggest issue with the 305 and 350 was Cam issues, we always had a police car Vette or Camaro in the back having the engine worked on. |
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But it'll be back to subjective comments when the ZLE beats the CF and the ZL1 beats the Base around a track. Then it'll be all how the GT500 is a better car to live with and they can drive it easily and it has a DCT and the steering wheel feels nice and the seatbelt is amazing and the sound guys like the hood vents... |
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11-15-2019, 07:40 AM | #4522 |
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Can we all agree how terrible that Ram 1500 drive selector is in the GT500?
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