Polymers vs Silica: a long term shootout.... - Page 5

Burly · 07-31-2017, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SSTony

I just applied blackfire crystal seal after about 2 months from last applying it. It seemed to streak a lot this time. I used the blackfire wax cleaner before as recommended.

I dont think i am applying too much as i do about 2-3 sprays per panel and wipe in one direction

I have to take a fiber after about an hr and wipe out the streaks real fast.

I find I get less steaking when I use microfiber applicator. I don't spray Crystal seal or Reload directly on panels anymore. I use Reload on wife's car and CS on my mine until it's gone. Then will totally switch to Reload for our "fleet"...

cellsafemode · 07-31-2017, 10:36 AM

Been roughly 2 months since I applied Cquartz UK to my car and my gf's. Her car sits out in the elements and got no additional topping. Mine spends the nights in a garage, and i topped mine with black fire crystal seal.

Both are still quite hydrophobic, with water beading up into marble sized balls. This is after powerwashing at a touchless car wash roughly every week and rinseless usually after.

Stays cleanish for roughly a couple days before the california dirt/dust necessitates another wash.

No significant difference between the two that i've seen. Bird crap and dirt and such come off with minimal effort and no marks are left on both cars. Both seem to be working just as well as they were when the coatings were new.

SSTony · 07-31-2017, 12:48 PM

You get 2 microfiber applicators when you buy blackfire and I am using them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burly

I find I get less steaking when I use microfiber applicator. I don't spray Crystal seal or Reload directly on panels anymore. I use Reload on wife's car and CS on my mine until it's gone. Then will totally switch to Reload for our "fleet"...

Gunkk · 08-02-2017, 10:33 PM

So how are things at 12 weeks, Glen?

Glen e · 08-02-2017, 10:38 PM

12 week = 9/7/17

SSTony · 08-02-2017, 11:14 PM

I notice that blackfire crystal seal can not hold up long in NJ weather even in the summer. I am going to try that F11 next. That stuff seems solid and the reviews are insane

Glen e · 08-02-2017, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SSTony

I notice that blackfire crystal seal can not hold up long in NJ weather even in the summer. I am going to try that F11 next. That stuff seems solid and the reviews are insane

Go read the detailing sites-its junk....

move to reload and essence if Crystal seal is not working for you.but I have never gotten less than 3 months on Crystal seal.

SSTony · 08-03-2017, 12:00 AM

is reload and essence 2 different types of sealers?

SSTony · 08-03-2017, 12:02 AM

essence requires a buffer. not into that as of now with healing from surgery.

SSTony · 08-03-2017, 12:09 AM

I like what I see with reload. maybe that is my next purchase

SSport16 · 08-03-2017, 11:48 AM

Essence is a polish with silica in it...Reload is the Silica sealant, great stuff! I like it much better than the BF products, which are great BTW themselves, just feel Silica products are better, provide more gloss, and from my experience they hold up better. Even in heavy rain vehicles look real nice with Silica, sheds a lot of dirt and road grime.

Burly · 08-03-2017, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSport16

Essence is a polish with silica in it...Reload is the Silica sealant, great stuff! I like it much better than the BF products, which are great BTW themselves, just feel Silica products are better, provide more gloss, and from my experience they hold up better. Even in heavy rain vehicles look real nice with Silica, sheds a lot of dirt and road grime.

Totally agree. Reload feels slicker and looks glossier. I did wife's car a month ago with Essence and topped with Reload and she commented yesterday that she was surprised how rain just ran off the hood and how shiny the car was after her 600 mile round trip. She never makes these kinds of observations. I used to maintain her car with just Crystal Seal and Duragloss rinseless.

SSTony · 08-03-2017, 12:20 PM

do you have to buff essence on with a wheel or you can do it by hand?

So you put essence on then reload?

Weege · 08-03-2017, 01:16 PM

Essence is easy to apply by hand using an applicator sponge followed by easy buffing with a microfiber towel. The reload sprays on and is also easily worked in with a microfiber towel. From the CarPro (makers of Essence and Reload) website:

Reload:

Do not apply in direct sun
Apply in good ambient lighting
Shake well
Spray 2-3 sprays directly onto a microfiber towel or the paint and spread out left and right and then up and down over a 2 to 2.5 sq ft area
Work it into the paint evenly until almost flashed away
Switch to a fresh clean towel (I prefer the Crazy Pile towel) and buff the area until no residue remains
Check after each panel before moving to next

08-02-2017, 10:38 PM	#61
Glen e Retired from Car mfrs.... Drives: 2LT RS/HR-V Join Date: May 2013 Location: /Fort Lauderdale Posts: 10,048	12 week = 9/7/17 __________________ Glen CLICK HERE for detailing a new car: detailing for non detailers CLICK HERE for how to rinseless CLICK HERE for EASY wheel sealant

08-02-2017, 11:14 PM	#62
SSTony Drives: SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Piscataway NJ Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	I notice that blackfire crystal seal can not hold up long in NJ weather even in the summer. I am going to try that F11 next. That stuff seems solid and the reviews are insane __________________

08-03-2017, 12:00 AM	#64
SSTony Drives: SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Piscataway NJ Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	is reload and essence 2 different types of sealers? __________________

08-03-2017, 12:02 AM	#65
SSTony Drives: SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Piscataway NJ Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	essence requires a buffer. not into that as of now with healing from surgery. __________________

08-03-2017, 12:09 AM	#66
SSTony Drives: SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Piscataway NJ Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	I like what I see with reload. maybe that is my next purchase __________________

07-31-2017, 10:36 AM	#58
cellsafemode Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: California Posts: 3,491	Been roughly 2 months since I applied Cquartz UK to my car and my gf's. Her car sits out in the elements and got no additional topping. Mine spends the nights in a garage, and i topped mine with black fire crystal seal. Both are still quite hydrophobic, with water beading up into marble sized balls. This is after powerwashing at a touchless car wash roughly every week and rinseless usually after. Stays cleanish for roughly a couple days before the california dirt/dust necessitates another wash. No significant difference between the two that i've seen. Bird crap and dirt and such come off with minimal effort and no marks are left on both cars. Both seem to be working just as well as they were when the coatings were new.

08-02-2017, 10:33 PM	#60
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,973 View My Garage	So how are things at 12 weeks, Glen?

08-03-2017, 11:48 AM	#67
SSport16 Drives: 2016 Garnet Red Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,435	Essence is a polish with silica in it...Reload is the Silica sealant, great stuff! I like it much better than the BF products, which are great BTW themselves, just feel Silica products are better, provide more gloss, and from my experience they hold up better. Even in heavy rain vehicles look real nice with Silica, sheds a lot of dirt and road grime. __________________ 2SS Camaro, Garnet Red, Adrenaline Red, NPP, MRC, A8, 5 Split Spoke Bright Silver Wheels (56W) 1100 Status - 7/24/15 (Ordered) 3800 Status - 10/13/15 (Built) 6000 Status - 12/22/15 (Delivered)

08-03-2017, 12:20 PM	#69
SSTony Drives: SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Piscataway NJ Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	do you have to buff essence on with a wheel or you can do it by hand? So you put essence on then reload? __________________

08-03-2017, 01:16 PM	#70
Weege Drives: 2017 2SS convertible M6, NPP, MRC Join Date: May 2013 Location: New England Posts: 180	Essence is easy to apply by hand using an applicator sponge followed by easy buffing with a microfiber towel. The reload sprays on and is also easily worked in with a microfiber towel. From the CarPro (makers of Essence and Reload) website: Reload: Do not apply in direct sun Apply in good ambient lighting Shake well Spray 2-3 sprays directly onto a microfiber towel or the paint and spread out left and right and then up and down over a 2 to 2.5 sq ft area Work it into the paint evenly until almost flashed away Switch to a fresh clean towel (I prefer the Crazy Pile towel) and buff the area until no residue remains Check after each panel before moving to next __________________ Did you hear about the restaurant on the moon? Great food ------ No atmosphere.

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