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Between the 2, it's Whipple for me. If they do for the Camaro what they did for the S550 Mustang,......the 6th gen Camaro is going to be one fast machine.
The S550 Mustang guys are putting down over 700rwhp and about 550rwtq. Some are running in the high 120's in the quarter mile. But, let's see what the Magnuson can do as well. |
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people have also been blowing their oil pump gears at 700 on the mustang, so they end up needing a rebuild anyway lol! |
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The Heartbeat is a 2300, the Whipple is a 2900. The Heartbeat has the capability to make 850 RWHP the Whipple will be able to make 950 RWHP. Fit finish quality comparisons are yet to be seen we will get a Whipple ASAP and install it and compare it.. Both superchargers can support way more power than the current LT-1 and LT4 fuel systems can. Ted.
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The Whipple is a screw charger requiring a male and female rotor to achieve the claimed internal compression. Due to this design the rotors must have a different number of lobes on each rotor - Whipple's design uses 5 lobes (on the female) and 3 lobes (on the male) Since the female rotor is the driven rotor, the male rotor must spin 5/3 times faster. The max RPM for the 2.9L is rated at 18000 RPM which means the male rotor is turning 30000RPM which is a pretty high bearing speeds for this unit. The Eaton TVS 2300 is a high-helix roots supercharger meaning it utilizes a set of matched rotors (same # of lobes on each) and due to it’s design, it is not capable of internal compression (which minimizes pumping losses during cruise). It’s Eaton OEM rated speed is at the highest speed allowed for infinite bearing life (yes that means the bearing is expected to last forever) and a max temperature rise across the SC of ~130 degrees C (max outlet temp of 150C) which occurs at 18000 and 2.4 pressure ratio (21psi boost). Not surprisingly the Whipple 2.9 uses the same bearings, so as you might guess there is quite a bit more flow in the Eaton TVS if we were to set its max speed to the same level as the 2.9L screw. Since both rotors spin the exact same speed in the TVS let’s increase that allowed bearing speed limit to 24000RPM. Now our 150C (302F) outlet temp still applies so we probably can’t run 21 PSI of boost continuously, but 18psi will probably be just fine for a V8 application. At 18000 RPM a Whipple 2.9L blower is capable of moving 1720 CFM as per the Whipple website. At 18000 RPM a TVS 2300 blower is capable of moving 1461 CFM. At 22000 RPM a TVS 2300 blower is capable of moving 1770 CFM. At 24000 RPM a TVS 2300 blower is capable of moving 1900 CFM. So to match the 18000 RPM max output of a Whipple 2.9 you need to spin the TVS to about 21,500 – beyond that speed it will outflow the Whipple 2.9L. A 90mm throttle body is enough flow to support about 750-800 RWHP on a TVS 2300 (the vacuum created by the inlet restriction will cause the bypass to start opening causing high inlet air temps, limit the boost and prevent higher power). To go beyond this you will need a larger 102mm or 108mm throttle body. At about 23000 RPM the inlet port in the TVS 2300 housing will become the restriction and prevent efficient operation at any higher speed so I don’t recommend operation beyond this point with a TVS2300. |
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Good point Ted, previously the Whipple has had better SC inlets, intake manifold, and larger intercoolers compared to those I have seen on the Eaton based devices. Both SCs have been mapped on the Eaton performance stand and there is no operating point that the 2.9 performs more efficiently than the 2.3 TVS, but of course, any restriction in the supporting system components can control the final capability of the supercharger. |
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I should have also included all of our fastest PD blower cars run the whipple, 9.6 in full weight daily driver Gen 5 All the COPO run whipple, All the GT500 Super stockers run Whipple We have the record for the fastest 2300 highly modified Maggie Gen 5 at 9.8 Recently we built a 300 C SRT8 803 RWHP Whipple equipped. I am not Bias we just have a lot of data and history with building supercharged combinations. Who knows The Gen 6 may change all of that. Ted.
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A lot of them are installing the OPG's and the crankshaft sprocket gear when installing their Whipple kits. It's only a real issue when revving the engine to the moon an back all the time. I barely rev past 5,000 on mine. lol |
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Sorry if this comes off as getting off topic, but this is probably the best thread I have read on putting a S/C on the an SS. Early on Edelbrock was mentioned and no one chimed in. For a DD (week=ender) I don't see that there is much difference between the Magnus and Edelbrock?
I live in Nor-Cal so to begin with I have limited options so any thoughts or recommendations of a shop in the area would be appreciated. Parted with my 60th Anniversary 427 vette so I could have a S/C ride. Didn't want to molest the special edition. |
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Give me a call with any questions, we offer plug and play power packages above what a standard kit can offer. Ted.
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