GM: Arguments for a Spring 2011 Z/28 release!

[Apex Motorsports]

Lol, its just the way the industry works. The 2010 was released early in the year because it was a brand new model, which is also normal in the auto industry. Now they are going to release variations of the vehicle one at a time and use them to maintain excitement about the brand over a long period of time. Like I've said before, its all about sales momentum. I know it may suck for you personally but its just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

The point of a fall release is because they expect the hardcore enthusiasts to snap up the early production units. They want those buyers taken care of early so that when spring rolls in and the uninitiated start thinking, "Man, a new sports car would be nice!" there will be Z28s on the showroom. They are more concerned about sales momentum than they are about what makes sense for you personally. GM has been marketing cars for a long time, release dates aren't pulled out of a hat.

[sen10l]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

You never seem to acknowledge the fact that the Z28 had been delayed for a good many months and GM is trying very hard to get it out soon. No amount hoping can change that.

I can't acknowledge what I don't know. As far as I know, in order to be "delayed" it needs an announced release date. Since none has been given, then how can it really be "delayed"?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by sen10l

I can't acknowledge what I don't know. As far as I know, in order to be "delayed" it needs an announced release date. Since none has been given, then how can it really be "delayed"?

I suppose you have me on a technicallity. But going back 2 years ago, the reports and indications pointed to the regular models coming out in early 2009, the convertibles about a year after that, and the Z28 about a year after that. Leading up to the bankruptcy, we were told that the Z28 project had been cancelled or at the very least put on hold. It was some time until we heard any firm reports that it was back.

And something can indeed be delayed without a fixed time being announced. For example, I meant to write this post half an hour ago, but I got delayed when I had my lunch. If I hadn't said anything, you would never have known. But that would not change the fact that it was delayed. Its like the ancient question, "If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around, does it make a sound?" Yes, absolutely it does. You just didn't hear it.

[ViperTomcat]

If the Z28 is actually going to be released, I would expect it in early 2012, one year after the convertible. It wouldnt be wise for GM to flood the market with two new submodels of Camaro within two months.

Then again..people who have been waiting for the 'vert wont be tempted into the Z28 and vice versa. That being said, with two new models of Camaro going down the line, the availability of the V6 and SS's will drop slightly due to less production time.

[sen10l]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I suppose you have me on a technicallity. But going back 2 years ago, the reports and indications pointed to the regular models coming out in early 2009, the convertibles about a year after that, and the Z28 about a year after that. Leading up to the bankruptcy, we were told that the Z28 project had been cancelled or at the very least put on hold. It was some time until we heard any firm reports that it was back.

And something can indeed be delayed without a fixed time being announced. For example, I meant to write this post half an hour ago, but I got delayed when I had my lunch. If I hadn't said anything, you would never have known. But that would not change the fact that it was delayed. Its like the ancient question, "If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around, does it make a sound?" Yes, absolutely it does. You just didn't hear it.

What I can't change, I can't change. But if I can change it, then this is my attempt to do so. That's the way I see it.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by sen10l

What I can't change, I can't change. But if I can change it, then this is my attempt to do so. That's the way I see it.

I hope you don't feel I'm hounding you on this one, thats not my intention. I just get frustrated when I see threads based on unrealistic expectations. And it doesn't matter if its release date, pricing, or content of the Z28. We would all absolutely love it if GM released a $40,000 LS9 powered Z28 next spring. But it isn't going to happen, no matter how much we would like it to.

[sen10l]

They're not expectations, they're requests and arguments. I don't know why people can't see the difference. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking for something. At the very least they might say "no", but maybe, just maybe they might say yes. At least I asked and made my wishes known.

The little note I put at the end of my OP was intended precisely for people who don't understand this basic concept of asking. I'd rather ask and be shot down (by GM), than NOT ask and then find out much later that GM did something because they weren't asked to do something else. Asking cost me nothing, but I have a chance of gaining something. What do you gain by trying to stop me from asking, except annoy me by trying to shut me up?

ps. I don't know why you personally are frustrated by my requests. Think about it. I'm not even asking you!

pps. early in my career, a bunch of us consultants were given the opportunity to work permanent full-time for the company. One of my colleagues requested what we thought was an outlandish salary amount. We thought he had some chutzpah. Later in my career I myself began to make "outlandish" rate requests and now I'm at the top of the rate scale. All it took was a little chutzpah, and I've applied that principle in every aspect of life now.

[SMN2011Z28]

As a Z28 Hopeful I think the release is going to be related to the success of the 2011 5.0 Mustang and the 6.4Ltr Challenger. Once these two new powerplants debut, GM can impact the market when it counts. The convertible will be a way to re-invigorate the customer base for the "average" car buyer then the Z28 will follow several months later to make horsepower fanatics that may not be looking at Camaro stay tuned and take another look before going elsewhere.

I deploy late this year so my only hope is that it comes out at a time that will allow me to get an early order in, but I have a feeling I'll be waiting no matter what.

It's all speculation and this is my .02

[Z Boss]

On a much simplier level, GM sells cars to make $$. You can't sell what you don't produce. Model years, seasonal releases, behavorial analysis, etc. don't make much difference if superior products are delivered. I'm waiting for a ZL1 but if an LS9 Z28 for $40K is available, I would buy both cars. Winter, spring, fall, 2011, 2012 or 2013 - makes no difference. I live in Louisiana but I have lived in the NE and if it was winter, I'd just tinker with the new car in the garage until spring. GM must deliver - that's what matters. Nice behavioral analysis though...

[Blackdevil77]

Personally, I don't care what the season is. If I like the car and have the money for it, I'm gonna buy it. If I have to garage it for a few months, so be it. At least it's MINE! Gas prices have more of an influence on buyers I believe rather then season. And right now, gas SUCKS!!! But I love my performance cars too much not to have one

[lbls1]

Old thread. We may eventually see a z28 but its more like a spring of '12 or '13 as a realistic goal.

[DevilKnightFalcon]

Not gonna happen