[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by avalonandl

Your 2035 Camaro SS

cmon, it's at least this:

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

cmon, it's at least this:

Looks good, all it needs is a facelift

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Everyone wants to profit the same or more than they did last year instead of temporarily deal with higher costs and lower profits to get things done. companies fail to do the right thing because they're beholdent to stock holders and they pay off the government so they can't be forced. Then we cycle around until the problem is so big and expensive that everyone is F'd except the 1% who run the companies.

I know most business owners agree with you.

It's MUCH better to put the profits in their pocket by cutting corners and causing fires which gets them sued, raising their insurance, as well as rebuilding/replacing all the damaged equipment. They also enjoy the lost revenue since they can't sell their product until all the repairs are made. Don't forget all the state fines you have to pay as well as restitution, etc. that gets tacked on, as well as all the negative publicity. I mean, none of that would hurt the bottom line, or the stock prices that most of our 401k's are invested in over the long term, huh? Heck, most company CEO's are pining to be thrown into filing a Chapter 11.

Damn 1%'ers have it all figured out.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

I think it's something along the lines of they just refuse accountability and think that is ok.

At least that's what I'm seeing?

Still blaming an entire generation based on a rather small sample, eh?


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

I'm less concerned with electric cars being mandated for all new car sales in 15 years than I am with the general progression of cars (ice and e) towards turning you into a user rather than an owner. The general progression of taking away your right to repair. The progression towards locking you into manufacturer only options by using encrypted or proprietary solutions to what would otherwise be easily standardized options for owners. The general progression of cars to always be connected and sending that telemetry data to their home base to sell to other legally entrenched parties (insurance, law enforcement etc).

All of that should be far more upsetting and infuriating than ending ICE cars. We're on the road towards ending driving ....and towards just being driven...with no real ownership and no real privacy. Fun. And that's happening whether or not your new car is electric.

Trust me, the progression of cars in general from "I bought it, now it's mine, and you're done with it" to cars as mobility defined and controlled by others bothers me at least as much as an EV mandate.

Either of them amounts to somebody else essentially wanting me to want things done the same way that they happen to (for whatever reasons). One is pretty blatant about its invasiveness, the other is sneaky about it.


Norm

[396ssrat]

Who actually believes that the end of the ICE is the end of pollution mandate by this state. Sooner than you think electric vehicles will be known to cause cancer etc. etc. etc.?

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Trust me, the progression of cars in general from "I bought it, now it's mine, and you're done with it" to cars as mobility defined and controlled by others bothers me at least as much as an EV mandate.

Either of them amounts to somebody else essentially wanting me to want things done the same way that they happen to (for whatever reasons). One is pretty blatant about its invasiveness, the other is sneaky about it.


Norm

Very much agree.

[suckamc]

If anyone thinks this is just smoke and mirrors and won't happen, you're head is buried in the sand. This IS going to happen. The Camaro will have been long forgotten. And the tax just to drive an ICE vehicle will be insane. Also, it will spread to the rest of the states.

Very high probability that one or more US auto manufacturer will go under by then.

This is going to be a VERY different country by 2035. Better learn your Spanish!

[USAFS197]

I'm not too surprised if I'm being honest but, I also think that this is one of the only ways to really curtail the abundant smog in the area. I welcome the change and I imagine that within the 15 year time span, the infrastructure required to pull this off will be well under way. It's not like come 2035 there will be a sudden boom and everyone will be forced to drive electric cars. The growing pains of such a transition will surely be ironed out; either by legislation or by technology.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

I found some nice wheels for all these people who want to save the planet:

For the interim.

If they get their way, those shoes will be banned too. Producing and disposing of the plastics and synthetic materials are a "danger" to the planet.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by suckamc

If anyone thinks this is just smoke and mirrors and won't happen, you're head is buried in the sand. This IS going to happen.

Perhaps so, maybe probably so eventually. But right now it's just some far-out progressive notion dreamed up by those who'd love to make our choices for us. So don't be expecting everybody to go along willingly with the idea, no matter how strongly you feel that we all should.

This is going to be a VERY different country by 2035. Better learn your Spanish!

That's just backward thinking. Liberal and progressive, but backward.


Norm

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by suckamc

If anyone thinks this is just smoke and mirrors and won't happen, you're head is buried in the sand. This IS going to happen. The Camaro will have been long forgotten. And the tax just to drive an ICE vehicle will be insane. Also, it will spread to the rest of the states.

Very high probability that one or more US auto manufacturer will go under by then.

This is going to be a VERY different country by 2035. Better learn your Spanish!

Sad as there are only 3 counting Tesla. I think Lucid is all Chinese money.

[Number 3]

Here is a fun fact.

Tesla has yet to be a profitable car company from the manufacture of automobiles, yet the stock is crazy.

Tesla is profitable because they sell tax credits to the other auto companies, primarily Stallantis. They actually lose money manufacturing cars.

The interesting thing will be if the other states that follow California do the same. I believe there are 13 states that have the same emissions requirements as CARB.

Also, it will be interesting what CARB does as once it's EV across the board they have no reason to exist. So they will have to find something to manage and create $$, which I expect will happen down the road.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Tesla is profitable because they sell tax credits to the other auto companies, primarily Stallantis. They actually lose money manufacturing cars.

i really didn't know this.... it's eye opening... i'm googling 'tesla sells tax credits'.... wow.