SS 1LE A10 vs It's Curb Weight - Page 2

Msquared · 08-17-2021, 07:36 AM

So a 4C is different not just because of weight. It's a mid-engine car with typically helps a lot. So it is 36% lighter than the Camaro, but it probably has 45-48% less weight on the front tires. It also has a much lower polar moment of inertia and a much shorter wheelbase. All these things make it change direction better than the Camaro.

JK001 · 08-17-2021, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I've driven a 4C. It is a go-cart feeling for sure, and that engine is right behind your head. I loved the induction noises

I get it, very analog feeling car, no power steering etc. It is a completely different experience for sure.

weemus · 08-17-2021, 11:53 AM

I know exactly what the op is saying/feeling. Everything I get in certain vehicles I recognize the shortcomings. When I get into the WRX or the FIT I feel like I am in a fishbowl versus the Camaro interior. I haven't driven a 4C but I expect it to be a better dance partner. I feel like I have to muscle the Camaro around the track versus say a Cayman that just dances. That dance cost 2-3x as much...

However despite the shortcomings there is no better track day special for the price and until one comes around, I'll be driving the 1LE. I suppose if money were less of an object I would be driving a new Porsche Cayman GT4. Each car has its own character. I def miss a lighter weight car but just cant pass up the pace and value of the 1LE.

JK001 · 08-17-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by weemus

I know exactly what the op is saying/feeling. Everything I get in certain vehicles I recognize the shortcomings. When I get into the WRX or the FIT I feel like I am in a fishbowl versus the Camaro interior. I haven't driven a 4C but I expect it to be a better dance partner. I feel like I have to muscle the Camaro around the track versus say a Cayman that just dances. That dance cost 2-3x as much...

However despite the shortcomings there is no better track day special for the price and until one comes around, I'll be driving the 1LE. I suppose if money were less of an object I would be driving a new Porsche Cayman GT4. Each car has its own character. I def miss a lighter weight car but just cant pass up the pace and value of the 1LE.

That was a good way to describe it @weemus. I haven't written off the 1LE yet...all first world problems

JamesNoBrakes · 08-17-2021, 12:24 PM

So I made sure to test the heaviest version, the V8 1LE with the automatic transmission...

Rayvan · 08-17-2021, 12:28 PM

Nothing lightens up a car better than blowing by the lightweight Alphas, like they're parked, while tracking an SS 1LE.

arpad_m · 08-17-2021, 03:07 PM

To some extent you can also add power to offset the weight

Fast Ken · 08-17-2021, 09:00 PM

Yes I agree. But I have never driven a 4C. But I could compare the lightness and driving experience with my 1st Gen NSX? This is truly a "love at first drive" kind of car. I have driven both the NSX and Camaro at several tracks and that is where the Camaro really shines. The more you drive the Camaro the more it becomes part of you. It is immediately extremely responsive, flat in the corners, sticks beyond what you expect and can maneuver stably out of 10/10's driving situations.

However, the NSX immediately elicits the confidence and finesse from a driver with its cab-forward seating and view of the road along with the smooth and precise handling. If that compares to the 4C then I understand the dilemma to choose between it and the Camaro. Remember it takes a little more time to truly feel that trust when first taking the wheel of the Camaro.

I would think making the choice between the 2 cars will need more seat time! And lots of other factors to consider besides the cars abilities at the track......

Boost Creep · 08-18-2021, 06:24 AM

Apples vs Oranges

GearheadSS · 08-18-2021, 08:13 AM

1LE Cadillac supple in track mode? Do you daily drive a horse and frontier wagon or something? Seriously never had anyone describe one like that before.

DaveC113 · 08-18-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Boost Creep

Apples vs Oranges

Exactly.

Camaro is a large sports coupe that can be used for many things, 4C is far more specialized. I wouldn't mind having both!

JK001 · 08-18-2021, 03:35 PM

Yes, the 4C is absolutely a single purpose car, that's why I bought it. It's very very immediate in all inputs, great brakes, visceral 1.75l engine that sounds fantastic through the Ti Akrapovic center exhaust, and extremely stiff chassis and suspension (mine has the factory track suspension too). What it doesn't have is front end stability and grip at 9-10/10s. Thats my biggest disappointment with the car.
After spending 3 years with the 1LE, front end grip is what I remember being continuously impressed with.
I guess I will I just need to have both once the crazy used Camaro prices subside!

UnknownJinX · 08-18-2021, 05:26 PM

I rode in a 4C as part of the HPDE at the local track. Pretty freakin' unbelievable ride, and being driven by a track instructor really helped as well.

But yeah, it's apples to oranges to an SS 1LE. 4C competes with the likes of Elise S, while SS 1LE more competes with Mustang GT PP2/Mach 1/GT350 and M4.

Msquared · 08-18-2021, 06:54 PM

I've always been surprised that the 4C didn't catch on with the autocross crowd. I've literally never seen one at any event, anywhere. You'd think it would be amazeballs for that. And the Street (nee Stock) rules allow a swap of one swaybar, so you could install a bigger rear bar to improve front grip.

08-17-2021, 07:36 AM	#15
Msquared Drives: Chevrolet SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: St. Charles, MO Posts: 1,446	So a 4C is different not just because of weight. It's a mid-engine car with typically helps a lot. So it is 36% lighter than the Camaro, but it probably has 45-48% less weight on the front tires. It also has a much lower polar moment of inertia and a much shorter wheelbase. All these things make it change direction better than the Camaro. __________________ Matt Miller 2020 SS 1LE

08-17-2021, 12:24 PM	#19
JamesNoBrakes Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AK Posts: 2,301	So I made sure to test the heaviest version, the V8 1LE with the automatic transmission... __________________ Everything happens for a reason, except when it doesn't, but even then, you can, in hindsight, fabricate a reason that satisfies your belief system. 2018 2SS 1LE 2023 Colorado ZR2 2022 Stinger GT-line AWD

08-17-2021, 03:07 PM	#21
arpad_m Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 11,623 View My Garage	To some extent you can also add power to offset the weight __________________ 2018 Camaro 2SS — G7E MX0 NPP F55 IO6 735 rwhp \| 665 rwtq Magnuson TVS 2300 80mm pulley \| Kooks 1 7/8" LT headers \| JRE smooth idle terminator cam \| LT4 FS & injectors \| TSP forged pistons & rods JMS PowerMAX \| DSX flex fuel kit \| Roto-Fab CAI \| Soler 95mm LT5 TB \| 1LE wheels \| 1LE brakes \| BMR rear cradle lockout \| JRE custom tune 1100 - 1/30/18 \| 2000 - 1/31/18 3000 - 2/06/18 TPW 2/26/18 3400 - 2/19/18 \| 3800 - 2/26/18 4300 - 2/27/18 \| 4B00 - 3/01/18 4200 - 3/05/18 \| 4800 - 3/14/18 5000 - 3/16/18 \| 6000 - 3/19/18

08-18-2021, 06:24 AM	#23
Boost Creep Drives: '18 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Pennsyltucky Posts: 2,571	Apples vs Oranges __________________ '18 1SS *1LE* Black, PDR

08-18-2021, 03:35 PM	#26
JK001 Drives: ZHP, Alfa 4C, RAM, X5, 17SS1LE-sold Join Date: May 2017 Location: East Coast Posts: 270	Yes, the 4C is absolutely a single purpose car, that's why I bought it. It's very very immediate in all inputs, great brakes, visceral 1.75l engine that sounds fantastic through the Ti Akrapovic center exhaust, and extremely stiff chassis and suspension (mine has the factory track suspension too). What it doesn't have is front end stability and grip at 9-10/10s. Thats my biggest disappointment with the car. After spending 3 years with the 1LE, front end grip is what I remember being continuously impressed with. I guess I will I just need to have both once the crazy used Camaro prices subside! Attached Images Last edited by JK001; 08-18-2021 at 04:00 PM. Reason: Added pics

08-17-2021, 11:53 AM	#17
weemus Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 167 View My Garage	I know exactly what the op is saying/feeling. Everything I get in certain vehicles I recognize the shortcomings. When I get into the WRX or the FIT I feel like I am in a fishbowl versus the Camaro interior. I haven't driven a 4C but I expect it to be a better dance partner. I feel like I have to muscle the Camaro around the track versus say a Cayman that just dances. That dance cost 2-3x as much... However despite the shortcomings there is no better track day special for the price and until one comes around, I'll be driving the 1LE. I suppose if money were less of an object I would be driving a new Porsche Cayman GT4. Each car has its own character. I def miss a lighter weight car but just cant pass up the pace and value of the 1LE.

08-17-2021, 12:28 PM	#20
Rayvan Rayvan Drives: 2018 1SS1LE, Silver Ice Metallic Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 275	Nothing lightens up a car better than blowing by the lightweight Alphas, like they're parked, while tracking an SS 1LE.

08-17-2021, 09:00 PM	#22
Fast Ken Drives: 2020 1SS 1LE M6 Riverside Bl Metall Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Sacramento Area, CA Posts: 38	Yes I agree. But I have never driven a 4C. But I could compare the lightness and driving experience with my 1st Gen NSX? This is truly a "love at first drive" kind of car. I have driven both the NSX and Camaro at several tracks and that is where the Camaro really shines. The more you drive the Camaro the more it becomes part of you. It is immediately extremely responsive, flat in the corners, sticks beyond what you expect and can maneuver stably out of 10/10's driving situations. However, the NSX immediately elicits the confidence and finesse from a driver with its cab-forward seating and view of the road along with the smooth and precise handling. If that compares to the 4C then I understand the dilemma to choose between it and the Camaro. Remember it takes a little more time to truly feel that trust when first taking the wheel of the Camaro. I would think making the choice between the 2 cars will need more seat time! And lots of other factors to consider besides the cars abilities at the track......

08-18-2021, 08:13 AM	#24
GearheadSS Drives: 23 LT1/22 Colorado TB/69 Chevelle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Greenville, Tx Posts: 4,970 View My Garage	1LE Cadillac supple in track mode? Do you daily drive a horse and frontier wagon or something? Seriously never had anyone describe one like that before.

08-18-2021, 05:26 PM	#27
UnknownJinX Drives: 19 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE Shock Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,947	I rode in a 4C as part of the HPDE at the local track. Pretty freakin' unbelievable ride, and being driven by a track instructor really helped as well. But yeah, it's apples to oranges to an SS 1LE. 4C competes with the likes of Elise S, while SS 1LE more competes with Mustang GT PP2/Mach 1/GT350 and M4. __________________ Current: 2019 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE M6 Shock GM Performance Intake and that's it, because driver mods before car mods Past: 2009 Mazda RX-8 GT M6 Velocity Red Mica (Sold) 2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 2LT M7 Velocity Yellow Tintcoat (Flood totaled)

08-18-2021, 06:54 PM	#28
Msquared Drives: Chevrolet SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: St. Charles, MO Posts: 1,446	I've always been surprised that the 4C didn't catch on with the autocross crowd. I've literally never seen one at any event, anywhere. You'd think it would be amazeballs for that. And the Street (nee Stock) rules allow a swap of one swaybar, so you could install a bigger rear bar to improve front grip. __________________ Matt Miller 2020 SS 1LE

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