[XlexusTech]

Any chance they wont make the 2024? I have a 67 and I am in no rush so I would wait for a Special / Farewell edition Zl1 even if it has not power change updates.
Also I agree with another poster the market is over due for a correction. These insane prices will fall with the recession and the inflation.

[MPowered]

Originally Posted by XlexusTech

Any chance they wont make the 2024? I have a 67 and I am in no rush so I would wait for a Special / Farewell edition Zl1 even if it has not power change updates.
Also I agree with another poster the market is over due for a correction. These insane prices will fall with the recession and the inflation.

The Camaro is on the chopping block, so if GM sees no market for them, then it's over. A recession and high inflation will actually hurt the survivability of our cars. Get your now and don't worry about the MY2024. I can see crazy Hellcat pricing if all of a sudden GM says adios to the Camaro.

[Garcos]

Originally Posted by MPowered

The Camaro is on the chopping block, so if GM sees no market for them, then it's over. A recession and high inflation will actually hurt the survivability of our cars. Get your now and don't worry about the MY2024. I can see crazy Hellcat pricing if all of a sudden GM says adios to the Camaro.

It's crazy what dealers will be demanding for last year Chargers and Challengers especially compared to 3 years ago for the same car. To much uncertainty with the Camaro to wait, that's why I decided on a 23.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by Garcos

It's crazy what dealers will be demanding for last year Chargers and Challengers especially compared to 3 years ago for the same car. To much uncertainty with the Camaro to wait, that's why decided on a 23.

Last year this time, a high volume CDJR dealer offered me 9% off MSRP on a factory ordered Charger Hellcat Widebody. Same dealer is selling those vehicle for over MSRP now. Last year ZL1s are going to command a similar pricing as well.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Garcos

It's crazy what dealers will be demanding for last year Chargers and Challengers especially compared to 3 years ago for the same car. To much uncertainty with the Camaro to wait, that's why decided on a 23.

Originally Posted by vj123

Last year this time, a high volume CDJR dealer offered me 9% off MSRP on a factory ordered Charger Hellcat Widebody. Same dealer is selling those vehicle for over MSRP now. Last year ZL1s are going to command a similar pricing as well.

This "strategy" of sunsetting the Challenger and Charger makes no sense to me whatsoever.

They already were literal cash cows before this craziness, commanding premium prices on a 15-year old platform with a 10-year old interior design, mild power bumps for excellent engines and clever, knowledgeable marketing. Recently, these old school muscle cars even rose to the top of the sales chart despite their porkiness and age, and heck, they got there for good reason, I'm not envious or jaded at all, the Challenger Hellcat and even the Scat Pack are great muscle cars.

And, not enough of those were ever made to even show up as a blip either on emissions or carbon or whatever "radars", or in any global statistic of substance, so the decision to discontinue them is against common sense at best (and asinine at worst).

[vj123]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This "strategy" of sunsetting the Challenger and Charger makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Dodge did an excellent job marketing their V8s which had a specific customer base. They tried milking every penny out of those dinosaur platforms before going hybrid / EV route like every other OEMs and that was quite successful as well. 2022 Challenger sale numbers were quite impressive in its segment and it outsold Camaro by more than two times (Challenger - 55,060. Mustang - 47,566. Camaro - 24,652).

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This "strategy" of sunsetting the Challenger and Charger makes no sense to me whatsoever.

They already were literal cash cows before this craziness, commanding premium prices on a 15-year old platform with a 10-year old interior design, mild power bumps for excellent engines and clever, knowledgeable marketing. Recently, these old school muscle cars even rose to the top of the sales chart despite their porkiness and age, and heck, they got there for good reason, I'm not envious or jaded at all, the Challenger Hellcat and even the Scat Pack are great muscle cars.

And, not enough of those were ever made to even show up as a blip either on emissions or carbon or whatever "radars", or in any global statistic of substance, so the decision to discontinue them is against common sense at best (and asinine at worst).

Any chance that they have to phase them out in order to free up the factory to build what's coming next?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Any chance that they have to phase them out in order to free up the factory to build what's coming next?

That might be a reason, yes, although saying no to sweet, hefty profit at 55 thousand units a year just to go with the flow and play the perception game is still weird. They need to completely retool the factories for electric platforms anyway, so they might as well build new ones out, plus if they remained the last one standing, they could capture a good chunk of the other 70 thousand currently sold to Ford and gm customers.

Also, the Banshee they (kind of) introduced is a risky play with its fake shifts and space alien noises, most of their existing customers will hate it and new prospects may not understand why they're sticking to ICE "reminders", so they may get caught inbetween...

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Why would they change the engine or drivetrain? Woke gm hates ic engines.

LOL how is GM Woke?

And no, they don't hate ICEs.

Going EV is a business decision by GM to get the stock price up. The most ANTI WOKE thing a company could do.

But like the internet, we when we don't like something we call it names.

[mRahmani]

Yeah GM shareholders are looking at Teslas market cap and demanding GM gets there. This has nothing to do with wokeness and everything to do with the suits.

[Newcastle]

A certain President passed a bill that they have to get gas milage that is not achievable also.

[MPowered]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

That might be a reason, yes, although saying no to sweet, hefty profit at 55 thousand units a year just to go with the flow and play the perception game is still weird. They need to completely retool the factories for electric platforms anyway, so they might as well build new ones out, plus if they remained the last one standing, they could capture a good chunk of the other 70 thousand currently sold to Ford and gm customers.

Also, the Banshee they (kind of) introduced is a risky play with its fake shifts and space alien noises, most of their existing customers will hate it and new prospects may not understand why they're sticking to ICE "reminders", so they may get caught inbetween...

It's Stellanis not understanding or caring about the American muscle car business. They got their own plan. Plus CAFE standards. Damn shame though because the Challenger/Charger is a money tree. Ford seems to understand this better and that's why we have a 7th gen Mustang. Soon they'll be the only game in town and raking in all the money.

[mcintyre1969]

Originally Posted by Number 3

LOL how is GM Woke?

And no, they don't hate ICEs.

Going EV is a business decision by GM to get the stock price up. The most ANTI WOKE thing a company could do.

But like the internet, we when we don't like something we call it names.

WOKE! Selling disposable cars ( who wants to spend 10 to 20k for new batteries for a ten year old car, best case scenario ) that I can not even drive across my state is pure GREEN BS! If ice engines are that bad for the environment, where is all the COVID data to prove it. A year to a year and half with hardly any cars on the road?

[CamaroSue]

Originally Posted by mcintyre1969

WOKE! Selling disposable cars ( who wants to spend 10 to 20k for new batteries for a ten year old car, best case scenario ) that I can not even drive across my state is pure GREEN BS! If ice engines are that bad for the environment, where is all the COVID data to prove it. A year to a year and half with hardly any cars on the road?

I 100% agree with you!!! EVs are just fine. But pushing them on us is BS!! And yes, GM is WOKE!!