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Old Yesterday, 09:39 AM   #99
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A 2SS 1LE A10 is $53.1k. The Mach 1 base starts at $52.9k. It isn't featureless; I believe it comes with features similar to the Bullitt w/ the digital dash and likely all the GT Premium features, possibly the premium plus which adds other niceties - but honestly I'm not sure exactly off the top of my head.

Mach 1 + A10 = $54.5k w/ destination
2SS 1LE + A10 = $53.1k w/ destination

Subtract $1.6k from both for the manual versions.

You get 25 more hp for the extra cost; whether or not that shows up very well in tests - we'll see - it didn't seem to help the Bullitt, which went 12.6 @ 115 mph like every other '18+ GT PP1 M6 test due to the MT82 gear ratio choices Ford made. Maybe the Tremec will remedy that issue.

I'd say the differences are somewhat marginal. Pick your poison.
So you have a source for this 12.6? I never saw that, always saw 12.8 test but perhaps I'm not remembering correctly. I guess in the long term review they mentioned a 12.6 run but didn't have any of the usual testing data to go along with it.

Maybe the tighter tr3160 gearing will help the 480hp version of the 5.0 out a little better than the 18+ mt82.
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Old Yesterday, 09:59 AM   #100
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The upcharge for Mach1 equipment (bits and bobs off of the GT350) should have been less than $3000. Ford thinks they can get $5000. We'll have to see what the consumer decides. Eventually the grim reaper of markdowns comes for every car. Ford made 8000 Bullitts in 2019, and around this time last year they were 15-20% off. Buying the car but not tracking it at all is just plain stupid - unless you like paying $5000 for a silly decal that says 'Mach 1' on it, and there are people who like owning several Mach cars just to say they do - mini "collectors" if you will.

Otherwise you can buy a 52K stickered GT Premium for 44k all the live long day and add the vinyl graphics and have the same thing. Once the Mach1 is in the pipeline I might buy the trans and it's cooler from the parts sites and retrofit to my '19. I already have the BoM for the diff cooler which will be located internal to the car and installed by a shop for 1/2 the price of the kit if I bought it from Ford. I hope to work with Steeda to marry up a race radiator and mondo oil cooler into a nice, clean single-row solution.
The trans swap would be something that would interest me as well since it would be from an s550 to an s550 and oem components such as the drive shaft and mount would be readily available. I wish they had gone with a tr6060 though, the 3160 is weak and fragile. Since my car is boosted now I'll provably just go with a ben calimer built mt82 since it's the most convenient thing to do or t56 magnum swap if I want to make my life harder lol.
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Old Yesterday, 10:25 AM   #101
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I think most of those devices are simply just cool stuff to have but not really anything to take seriously. It seems that most of the time they are off.
This. If they were any good or really accurate you wouldn't have so many people spending money on tried and true draggys.
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Old Yesterday, 02:07 PM   #102
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So you have a source for this 12.6? I never saw that, always saw 12.8 test but perhaps I'm not remembering correctly. I guess in the long term review they mentioned a 12.6 run but didn't have any of the usual testing data to go along with it.

Maybe the tighter tr3160 gearing will help the 480hp version of the 5.0 out a little better than the 18+ mt82.
Yeah, I was thinking of the C&D long term test:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/

C/D TEST RESULTS: NEW
60 mph: 4.4 sec
100 mph: 9.9 sec
130 mph: 16.7 sec
Rolling start, 5Ė60 mph: 5.1 sec
ľ-mile: 12.6 sec @ 115 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 163 mph
Braking, 70Ė0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g

I think the tighter gearing with the Tremec should help the Mach 1 a little. I'll be disappointed if it also runs a 12.6 @ 115.
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Old Yesterday, 02:14 PM   #103
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This device reads from the OBD port, meaning the 'speed' information is coming from the car's speedometer, is that correct?
I'm honestly not sure, it also has gps for the maps function as well. I've researched it and couldn't find where the speed info. comes from (GPS or the car's computer).

That said, I think the acceleration measurements are apples to apples since the tests are reading the same thing each time. If the speedo is off a bit, then maybe it's a 19-69 mph run instead of exactly 20-70, but that doesn't negate the timing results that show good improvement.

Someone else mentioned the read frequency: The OBDLink MX+ I have is adjustable from 1 to 10Hz, so I keep it at 10 Hz to get more accurate computer data.
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Old Yesterday, 02:27 PM   #104
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not credibly. If he did (can't recall) it would get the same warm welcome you get Blaq.
Ha, not exactly. Feel free to read the thread yourselves:

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...10-pp1.142234/

Looking back, it looks like I mis-remembered minor portions (wind directions, for example).

Anyway, not sure how this thread became all about my mods and journey through it all. Oh well.
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Old Yesterday, 03:54 PM   #105
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I realize MAF readings are not dyno numbers. I was saying a general rule of thumb to crank hp is 10 hp per lbs/min MAF reading (I specifically said crank hp in my post). I'm not saying with certainty that my car is making 530 hp just because my MAF readings are 53 lbs/min. But at 53 lbs/min it's certainly well above 460 (stock) hp. And I have the K&N CAI, not just a K&N drop in. And again I never claimed I gained 3 tenths 0-60. I said I improved my 20-70 mph time from 3.53 seconds with K&N CAI intake only to 3.28 seconds with the addition of the ported TB, IM, and Borla catback, and it's probably faster now because the car is another 60 lbs lighter (72 lbs if I remove the lower rear seat pad temporarily) since that round of tests. I do that 20-70 split because it takes the launch out of the equation giving better apples to apples comparisons. Having done multiple splits and looking at the data (again, prior to weight reduction), my car was seeing 0.05-0.06 seconds improvement for 10 mph segments up to 70 mph (over K&N CAI only). I guessed I could probably get 2 tenths out of my 0-60, though.

Just to be clear - I realize this isn't like going to a drag strip nor a dyno. However, those are extremely variable as well. Dyno to dyno could see large differences, just like at a drag strip where the 60' makes a big difference. But at least it's something showing improvements rather than just guessing because it "feels" quicker or more powerful (which it does). I just look at it as set of interesting data.

I posted about my upgrades and data on m6g. I didn't mention the roll races because those were recent and it hasn't come up. That thread was from months ago.

And my buddy's GT350 is not an R. So it's similar weight to mine, except he hasn't done any weight reduction at all so my car is lighter than his.
If that is the rule of thumb then it is way TF off bro. No way are you at 530 crank HP. No way you're pushing 485 to the wheels. Not with those mods. So maybe you need to stop going by those estimates.
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Variations in dynos don't really mean anything if you use them correctly. That means running the baseline test and then the modded test on the same dyno. Difference between the 2 pulls shows you what change you experienced.

Dragstrip is the real test. You should not let your fear of disappointing 60' times stop you from running on one. Even on street tires, you could still gain some information. Example, let's pretend that you had ran your stock car and got a 12.5 baseline. Then pretend that you ran again with your modifications and got a 12.3, you could then examine both timeslips and see the differences. That would be much more meaningful data than 'times' coming from a device that reads the speedometer.
Agreed. Except I'll add that even between different dynos there won't be too large of a discrepancy. One dyno won't be reading 783 while another dyno reads 672. They're typically in the same ballpark.
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not credibly. If he did (can't recall) it would get the same warm welcome you get Blaq.
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Old Yesterday, 11:33 PM   #106
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The gt350 manifold is "better" than an 18, but I'd probably just port my 19 manifold as well if I had stayed NA for cost savings, plus I prefer the 18+ on an m6 car. However even though the 350 manifold has been proven to be better in aftermarket modified cars
I do not disagree. You can make the argument that the GT350 manifold would be a slightly better choice than the 18+ GT manifold in some situations but in those situations, if youíre going to spend the money on a GT350 manifold, why not spend a little more, drop the engine and go with the Cobra Jet manifold? It does everything the GT350 does well better in a way thatís unquestionable. The GT350 manifold had its time in the sun but once the 18+ GT manifold came along, itís now stuck in no mans as itís not the top performing manifold nor is it the value proposition. And the value proposition can out perform it.
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Old Today, 03:16 AM   #107
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I do not disagree. You can make the argument that the GT350 manifold would be a slightly better choice than the 18+ GT manifold in some situations but in those situations, if youíre going to spend the money on a GT350 manifold, why not spend a little more, drop the engine and go with the Cobra Jet manifold? It does everything the GT350 does well better in a way thatís unquestionable. The GT350 manifold had its time in the sun but once the 18+ GT manifold came along, itís now stuck in no mans as itís not the top performing manifold nor is it the value proposition. And the value proposition can out perform it.
I do not think the CJ manifold fits under the hood. I'm not sure but I think that was the case. And didn't the GT350 IM outperform the CJ on the 15-17 GTs when they were tested? Or was it the Boss manifold that the GT350 IM outperformed.

Anyway, you can't argue any value for performance with the Mustang considering that the entire car is the worst performance value in the car game right now. I mean, look at what you can get from the competition in comparison to what you'll pay for the GT350, GT350R, Mach1...the Base C8 is cheaper (similar price to Mach1) and will dust each of those cars easily. Same with the ZL1. I mean, at this point they might as well just get the GT350 IM over the 18.
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