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Old 01-22-2021, 11:08 PM   #1
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Cost of HP

I have a 21 ZL1. I am reading all kinds of posts about building cars to 750 -800 HP. And I am reading many posts about engine issues. I am not a mechanic. Please through me round numbers to get a car to 750ish HP by a mechanic. Callaway wants 20k to get to 750 but 5 years warrantee from the dealer. They screw it up they fix it... I think that’s the same as 10k then having problems and having to repair it for 5 years out of pocket, no? Im not sure what way to go and want to hear some opinions please. Thanks Dave
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Old 01-23-2021, 12:25 AM   #2
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Wheel hp or crank?

750 crank is $3-5k

750 wheel, add $5-8k to that.
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Old 01-23-2021, 09:39 AM   #3
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Wheel hp or crank?

750 crank is $3-5k

750 wheel, add $5-8k to that.
I think 750 to the crank is usually a bit more than that; 6-8k.
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Old 01-23-2021, 11:41 AM   #4
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  • Chevy's warranty allows them an out for racing
  • Performance shop warranty is hard to come by and will cost you $1G or $2G for a year or two but they will also have an out for racing.
  • HP always cost you more than what you initially think
  • Proceed as if you won't have a warranty of any mod'd parts and maybe not the engine.

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I have a 21 ZL1. I am reading all kinds of posts about building cars to 750 -800 HP. And I am reading many posts about engine issues. I am not a mechanic. Please through me round numbers to get a car to 750ish HP by a mechanic. Callaway wants 20k to get to 750 but 5 years warrantee from the dealer. They screw it up they fix it... I think that’s the same as 10k then having problems and having to repair it for 5 years out of pocket, no? Im not sure what way to go and want to hear some opinions please. Thanks Dave
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Old 01-23-2021, 04:31 PM   #5
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I wish 6k for 750 wheel hp x
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Old 01-23-2021, 04:39 PM   #6
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750-800whp will cost you about 9-10k for everything.

850-900 about 15k
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Old 01-23-2021, 04:47 PM   #7
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Give us the names of one or more of these shops so I can call them. Thanks.

I spoke with LMR and they wanted $18k for closer to 700 hp wheel with no warranty.

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750-800whp will cost you about 9-10k for everything.

850-900 about 15k
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60 ft./1/4 mile/mph @ ?DA
A few previous cars:
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2006 Haas GTO, w/Sonny's 742cid (6.52/212 Phoenix)
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Old 01-23-2021, 07:27 PM   #8
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The stupid 2017 with the A10 I snagged off eBay as a rebuilt salvage title not only cost me $30k but came with the lousy kooks headers, 9.17 lower, green belt, roto fab and a tune. Stupid guy just left me a catch can, ported tb, jms voltage booster and e85 sensor to install and retune. What a crappy deal! On a cool morning down in Phx it probably only makes 675 at the wheels with e50 mix. He even had the audacity to leave the near new Toyo r888r's on it. What a moron. But I made sure they ain't near new anymore. Near gone now!

So I'm just taking a wild guess...on what these mods cost.
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Old 01-23-2021, 08:01 PM   #9
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The stupid 2017 with the A10 I snagged off eBay as a rebuilt salvage title not only cost me $30k but came with the lousy kooks headers, 9.17 lower, green belt, roto fab and a tune. Stupid guy just left me a catch can, ported tb, jms voltage booster and e85 sensor to install and retune. What a crappy deal! On a cool morning down in Phx it probably only makes 675 at the wheels with e50 mix. He even had the audacity to leave the near new Toyo r888r's on it. What a moron. But I made sure they ain't near new anymore. Near gone now!

So I'm just taking a wild guess...on what these mods cost.
kooks headers $1800
9.17 lower $500
green belt $75
roto fab $600
tune/dyno $750
catch can $400
ported tb $650 (103mm)
jms voltage booster $500
e85 sensor $100

Parts costs $5000-$5500

Labor costs $2500-$3000
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60 ft./1/4 mile/mph @ ?DA
A few previous cars:
2016 GTR
2013 GTR
2011 BMW M3
2006 Haas GTO, w/Sonny's 742cid (6.52/212 Phoenix)
2001 LS1 Procharger/N2O (9.90 Denver)

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Old 01-23-2021, 08:40 PM   #10
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Well my guess for my mods were based on self install vs shop install. Fairly close, though I'm guessing some of the upper shops doing that list would be higher then that.
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:11 AM   #11
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750-800whp will cost you about 9-10k for everything.

850-900 about 15k
LOL.

Vengeance charges $20,000 for 830-850 flywheel or 700-720 wheel, which is inline with every shop I've contacted. Vengenace has a 90-day labor warranty, no parts warranty, does not include hauling. HPE also will sell you 850 flywheel for $20k, no warranty. LMR and LPE same.
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KongX, NW103, 100/104 octane
1.60/10.56/131 @ 8043 DA
In-progress:
Kong Ported EForce TVS2650; XDI +30; AEM X WB; 3"/8.8";
60 ft./1/4 mile/mph @ ?DA
A few previous cars:
2016 GTR
2013 GTR
2011 BMW M3
2006 Haas GTO, w/Sonny's 742cid (6.52/212 Phoenix)
2001 LS1 Procharger/N2O (9.90 Denver)

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Old 01-24-2021, 08:49 AM   #12
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For their Stage 2 package Vengeance charges around $7500 for up to 100 hp more. So JSH your numbers are pretty much spot on with all the aftermarket companies. Seems the more hp you want the more it will cost!
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:52 AM   #13
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Here is Katech's pricing. I think they have a 3 year/36,000 mile warranty, from what Zach told me when I spoke with him a couple months ago.
Their Stage 4 is probably what I am going to do when I am ready.

https://shop.katechengines.com/?s=&y...=G6+Camaro+ZL1
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:55 AM   #14
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The 800+ WHP range will be even more expensive than what is being tossed around due to the fueling to do it right. This can easily be a $7-10K mod depending on which way you go (port/XDI) with it. I’m well over $25K in mods and still have to do the fuel system this year (again lol)...

Meth is obviously much cheaper short term...but much more expensive long term if you know what I mean...
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