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snapp32e · 03-20-2012, 12:36 PM

Lol...true yes.

Mr.R · 03-20-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimus

I posted this in another thread but will do so again here... My buddy seems to be pretty connected at GM and while it may be total BS, he told me the delay is software/programming related and that they are doing some reporgramming to avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax. He also said they were going to get a bit more HP out of it. Again, sounds suspect to me but it would be awesome either way. I'm working with my dealership on an order for a Yellow ZL1. Don't care if it's a 12 or a 13 just can't take delivery until June or after as I don't know what my bonus check will end up being. Still very excited...

Well, Fbodfather previously said "I do thank you for your patience - and assure you that it will be well worth the wait! "

Putting that in context now, might very well mean they're trying to eliminate the Gas guzzler tax (which by the way is $2600 on an automatic), or increase power? In any case, it's just speculations unfortunately...Hopefully they will come true soon.

Bad@ssCamaro · 03-20-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by YourBlindingBias

They are known for being secretive with pretty much everything, sometimes too much.
If you are paying 50+ on a car I think you would want to know and even have the right to know everything that is going on with your purchase.

Hopper · 03-20-2012, 09:40 PM

This is the worst example I have seen on Camaro5 in a long time.

2012ZL1 · 03-20-2012, 10:51 PM

Eliminating the gas guzzler tax would be a good reason to hold all the cars back I guess..... For those that have to pay it....

hognutz · 03-20-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Eliminating the gas guzzler tax would be a good reason to hold all the cars back I guess..... For those that have to pay it....

I am pretty sure that is wishfull thinking. HP increase or milage update would be nice in any scenario but I would be shocked if those rumors were true.

I am not expecting it I ordered it the way it was. To hold up orders to add something that people are not expecting would seem odd to me.

JMAN311 · 03-20-2012, 11:57 PM

I agree that a HP bump is very unlikely. It seems to me that already gave it the most USABLE HP they felt they could. I also don't think they would have started building the few hundred cars already if they were going to modify the MPG. I do feel everyone's pain on this, I know how it feels after waiting over a year for the 2010 SS I had.

The thing I'm waiting to find out is how long it will be until we find out some info for the next model year. I'm also eagerly awaiting the press to get ahold of the 2013 GT500 to see if they can actually get that extra 70HP to the ground. I plan to get a ZL1 next year and hope they don't have to do much catching up to the Shelby as far as 1/4 mile times.

Bad@ssCamaro · 03-21-2012, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hopper

This is the worst example I have seen on Camaro5 in a long time.

Mr.R · 03-21-2012, 09:19 AM

Getting back to the topic - at what point would you pull the plug on a '12 and go with a '13 or something else, and why? My ZL1 is already built but I'll be out of the country for most of April so if I get my car at the end of April or in May, I'm not sure it's worth to get a '12MY at MSRP... It's almost ridiculous to have the car this late in the MY

Zedder · 03-21-2012, 09:36 AM

I've been thinking about this a lot over the last couple of days and have decided that if we do not have a definitive answer from GM on what the problem is and when it will be resolved by the end of March, I will cancel my order and get my deposit back. I'll then wait to see what transpires when the cars are on the road. Unfortunately, this reminds me of when the Z06 was introduced in 2001. I decided to wait until 2002 to make sure there weren't any issues with a brand new model and was glad that I did as my car was perfect and got an extra 20 hp over the 2001's. The 2001's had oil consumption issues and their values took a hit.

Mr.R · 03-21-2012, 09:40 AM

I would also like to see the specs of the '13MY to make sure we're not paying the same money for less car if we go with the '12. I'm pretty sure they'll make some enhancements (power, recaros, etc) in light of the competirion witht the 13 shelby

sgt2410 · 03-21-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.R

I would also like to see the specs of the '13MY to make sure we're not paying the same money for less car if we go with the '12. I'm pretty sure they'll make some enhancements (power, recaros, etc) in light of the competirion witht the 13 shelby

Like the guys who bought the 2004 GTO. Tim

YourBlindingBias · 03-21-2012, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.R

I would also like to see the specs of the '13MY to make sure we're not paying the same money for less car if we go with the '12. I'm pretty sure they'll make some enhancements (power, recaros, etc) in light of the competirion witht the 13 shelby

They won't be bumping the power for 2013, the convertible specs are already out. same HP.

adamgl · 03-21-2012, 11:07 AM

It's so late maybe they should call them all 2013's?

03-20-2012, 12:36 PM	#127
snapp32e Drives: '81-Z28/'07-Tundra/'12-ZL1/'13-Jeep Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 529	Lol...true yes. __________________ ZL1 #612

03-20-2012, 09:40 PM	#130
Hopper Chevy Lifer Drives: '13 Caddy ATS, '10 2SS/RS ABM M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Grosse Pointe Woods, MI Posts: 465	This is the worst example I have seen on Camaro5 in a long time. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Manual, ABM, Grey Leather, Painted SIM Rallys, 20" RS Painted Wheels, A9167198

03-20-2012, 10:51 PM	#131
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	Eliminating the gas guzzler tax would be a good reason to hold all the cars back I guess..... For those that have to pay it.... __________________ 2012 ZL1 2.55 upper, 10" lower pullies, Innovators west billet hub and sfi balancer, solid blower drive isolator, 50 mm idler kit, full length S/S headers no cats, comp cams custom grind cam, comp roller rocker trunion kit, comp push rods,dual valve springs retainers and locks, Injector dynamics ID850 inectors, Rotofab ZL1 cold air kit, Lingenfelter 160 thermostat, Rotofab intercooler reservoir, stock plugs, LS7 90mm throttle body, GTO clutch reservoir mod, my own custom catch can, Tuning by Jannetty, install by me.

03-20-2012, 11:57 PM	#133
JMAN311 Drives: 2013 F-150 Limited Join Date: May 2008 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 2,191	I agree that a HP bump is very unlikely. It seems to me that already gave it the most USABLE HP they felt they could. I also don't think they would have started building the few hundred cars already if they were going to modify the MPG. I do feel everyone's pain on this, I know how it feels after waiting over a year for the 2010 SS I had. The thing I'm waiting to find out is how long it will be until we find out some info for the next model year. I'm also eagerly awaiting the press to get ahold of the 2013 GT500 to see if they can actually get that extra 70HP to the ground. I plan to get a ZL1 next year and hope they don't have to do much catching up to the Shelby as far as 1/4 mile times. __________________ There just might be a 2016 Camaro or Corvette in my future... _____________________________________________ Previous Chevy's 2013 Camaro ZL1 A6\|SIM 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS\|M6\|CGM Exterior\|Gray Int 2000 Camaro SS\|M6\|SLP headers\|SLP center mounted quad exhaust\|Magnaflow muffler\|Hypertech programmed 2001 Corvette\|M6\|LG Motorsports Headers\|Corsa Touring Cat-back\|Magnaflow X Pipe\|Hurst short-throw\|Dyno tuned

03-21-2012, 09:36 AM	#136
Zedder Drives: 40 plus Camaros and counting! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oakville Posts: 232	I've been thinking about this a lot over the last couple of days and have decided that if we do not have a definitive answer from GM on what the problem is and when it will be resolved by the end of March, I will cancel my order and get my deposit back. I'll then wait to see what transpires when the cars are on the road. Unfortunately, this reminds me of when the Z06 was introduced in 2001. I decided to wait until 2002 to make sure there weren't any issues with a brand new model and was glad that I did as my car was perfect and got an extra 20 hp over the 2001's. The 2001's had oil consumption issues and their values took a hit. __________________ Mark GM cancelled my 2012 ZL1 order

03-21-2012, 09:19 AM	#135
Mr.R Drives: ZL1, Genesis, Grand Cherokee Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cleveland Posts: 232	Getting back to the topic - at what point would you pull the plug on a '12 and go with a '13 or something else, and why? My ZL1 is already built but I'll be out of the country for most of April so if I get my car at the end of April or in May, I'm not sure it's worth to get a '12MY at MSRP... It's almost ridiculous to have the car this late in the MY

03-21-2012, 09:40 AM	#137
Mr.R Drives: ZL1, Genesis, Grand Cherokee Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cleveland Posts: 232	I would also like to see the specs of the '13MY to make sure we're not paying the same money for less car if we go with the '12. I'm pretty sure they'll make some enhancements (power, recaros, etc) in light of the competirion witht the 13 shelby

03-21-2012, 11:07 AM	#140
adamgl Drives: '98 Camaro Z28, '06 Z06 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 533	It's so late maybe they should call them all 2013's? __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS A6 Sold :( ARH, FM Super 44's, K&N CAI, ADM scoop, Diablo Tune, RX catch can. '98 Camaro Z28 M6 TSP headers, true duals, AIR/EGR/AC/muffler delete, CAI, Subframe con., shock tower brace, Stg. 2 T56 rebuild. Monster Clutch Stg. 2, Electric Water Pump, TT2 wheels, 315 NT555's '06 Z06 2LZ, Cam, P/P/M Heads, FAST Intake/TB, ARH, CAI, HP Clutch/FW, C5 Axles, Pfadt Coilovers/Poly Bushings, Carbon Fiber: Everything, lol. HID's, 360 Forged Spec 5's/Invo's, Custom Interior. 550 RWHP http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235911

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