[crysalis_01]

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...-best-in-.html

- All-new, second-generation 3.5-liter EcoBoost® V6 engine in the 2017 Ford F-150 produces 375 horsepower and a segment-best 470 lb.-ft. of torque, a gain of 10 hp and 50 lb.-ft. from previous 3.5-liter EcoBoost

- Class-leading torque of 3.5-liter EcoBoost and new 10-speed automatic transmission will deliver improved acceleration and performance

- 3.5-liter EcoBoost paired exclusively with the first volume-production 10-speed automatic transmission available from any automaker

DEARBORN, Mich., July 11, 2016 – Ford, America’s truck leader, continues its relentless pace of innovation, delivering segment-leading torque for 2017 F-150 customers with the all-new 3.5-liter EcoBoost® V6 engine and 10-speed automatic transmission.

The new second-generation 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine will provide 50 lb.-ft. more peak torque compared with the first-generation 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine, to a segment-best 470 lb.-ft.@3500rpm, beating all diesel- and gasoline-powered competitors, including V8 engines with nearly twice the displacement of the EcoBoost V6. Horsepower jumps 10 from the previous version, to 375 hp@5000rpm.

“The 2017 Ford F-150 now delivers the best torque in the segment,” says Raj Nair, Ford executive vice president, Product Development, and chief technical officer. “This class-leading torque arrives with a transformative 10-speed automatic that improves nearly every aspect of F-150 performance.”

The 3.5-liter EcoBoost in the 2017 F-150 is paired exclusively with the first volume-production 10-speed automatic transmission available to consumers from any automaker.

The more capable powertrain combination will deliver improved acceleration and performance compared with previous six-speed automatic transmissions. The new engine provides better low-end and peak engine performance, ideal for hauling heavy payloads and towing heavy trailers.

The new 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine builds on the success of the 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine and first-generation 3.5-liter EcoBoost engine available for the 2016 F-150. The 2.7-liter and first-generation 3.5-liter EcoBoost engines account for approximately 60 percent of F-150 sales.

The Ford F-150 remains the first and only truck in its segment to offer a twin-turbo gasoline engine.

The 2017 Ford F-150 goes on sale this fall.

[Thor142]

A buddy of mine just got an F-150 ecoboost. He LOVES it.

[crysalis_01]

Yeah, I've got a '13 FX4 Supercrew with the gen1 3.5EB. This bump may just have me upgrading.

Another point to ponder is that the 1st gen 3.5EB in the F-150 is rated at 365/420 on 87 octane fuel. The Lincoln Navigator with the same engine is rated at 380/460 on 93 octane fuel.

If this is still the case, as we haven seen what fuel achieves the 375/470, we could be looking at a 390/515 engine on 93. . . if indeed 87 yields the new output, though I don't see them changing the game plan.

[snizzle]

Love the competition. A whole 10 LB-FT more than the NA 6.2.

[Royal Tiger]

They fix the tin foil bed?

[snizzle]

Of course not. That's how they got the 1 MPG improvement

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Love the competition. A whole 10 LB-FT more than the NA 6.2.

True, peak torque is only 10lb.ft. higher, but it's also delivered 600rpm lower in the rev range than the 6.2l. The torque curve from even the current 3.5EB's is very flat. So if it holds a 10lb.ft. advantage at peak, it'll be interesting to see a stock dyno of this engine's output, after all it's all about power under the curve, not just peak numbers.

I'd also like to see one dyno'd on 93 octane, no other changes, just to see if this engine is like every other EB.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Yeah, I've got a '13 FX4 Supercrew with the gen1 3.5EB. This bump may just have me upgrading.

Another point to ponder is that the 1st gen 3.5EB in the F-150 is rated at 365/420 on 87 octane fuel. The Lincoln Navigator with the same engine is rated at 380/460 on 93 octane fuel.

If this is still the case, as we haven seen what fuel achieves the 375/470, we could be looking at a 390/515 engine on 93. . . if indeed 87 yields the new output, though I don't see them changing the game plan.

Does the first gen EB in the F150 also run better on 93? Obviously the Lincoln is tuned for it, or perhaps has different tunes depending on what octane level you are running, but does the F150 also have a separate tune for 03 octane?

If so, that would be news to me, as that would be quite the bump in power from simply running on 93.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Does the first gen EB in the F150 also run better on 93? Obviously the Lincoln is tuned for it, or perhaps has different tunes depending on what octane level you are running, but does the F150 also have a separate tune for 03 octane?

If so, that would be news to me, as that would be quite the bump in power from simply running on 93.

My '13 with The 3.5 does feel like it has more pep on 91 vs when I've filled it with 87. But that's not really verifiable without dyno testing.


The difference in output via different octane fuels is prevalent in the EB engine. Ford admits to using 93 for higher outputs, in vehicles where that is a better selling point, but 87 for fuel efficiency numbers in those where it's FE is a better selling point.

MKX's 2.7EB rates on 93 @ 335hp/380tq
F-150's 2.7EB is rated on 87 at 325hp/375tq

The Mustang EB on 93 is 310hp/320tq
On 87 it rates at 275hp/300tq

2.0EB in Fusion makes 240hp/270tq on 93
On 87 output is 231hp/270tq

This seems to point to the PCM and knock sensors pulling timing on "lesser" grade fuels is a reality. The Navigator is rated on 93 as per it's advertising, there is a * near the output. The F-150 is rated on 87.

This has never been spoken to directly by Ford as far as I've been able to find in my researching the net. So while this is all conjecture, it seems to stand up.

[yzrider58]

Yawn

[DRKS1D3]

I'm not a Ford fan in the least, but that is impressive. Competition breeds success. With this being said, a buddy of mine bought a new 2016 EcoBoost F-150 Crew Cab. He already added a cold-air intake and exhaust. The down side? You'll NEVER get a V6 to sound like a V8. It sounds like a Mitsubishi Eclipse with a coffee can muffler.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

I'm not a Ford fan in the least, but that is impressive. Competition breeds success. With this being said, a buddy of mine bought a new 2016 EcoBoost F-150 Crew Cab. He already added a cold-air intake and exhaust. The down side? You'll NEVER get a V6 to sound like a V8. It sounds like a Mitsubishi Eclipse with a coffee can muffler.

Exactly. It sounds like a vacuum cleaner on occasion. I realize this is the direction everyone is moving in, but i'm going to miss the throaty V8 sound when they aren't offered anymore.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

I'm not a Ford fan in the least, but that is impressive. Competition breeds success. With this being said, a buddy of mine bought a new 2016 EcoBoost F-150 Crew Cab. He already added a cold-air intake and exhaust. The down side? You'll NEVER get a V6 to sound like a V8. It sounds like a Mitsubishi Eclipse with a coffee can muffler.

I don't get being a fan of a brand of something anyway. I mean when people are buying a vehicle because they are a fan instead of for quantifiable reasons it's bad for industry quality as a whole.
The only way brand loyalty makes any logical sense is if they pay your bills.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by Thor142

I don't get being a fan of a brand of something anyway. I mean when people are buying a vehicle because they are a fan instead of for quantifiable reasons it's bad for industry quality as a whole.
The only way brand loyalty makes any logical sense is if they pay your bills.

Touche. I don't understand your logic. I am a GM fan. I have had many GM's. I like the styling, I've never had a major problem with them, I feel as if they make a good product, etc..

Using your logic, if you buy 3-4 of the same brand, they provide you with flawless performance, you should say "F it" and try something else. To each his own.

I say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.".