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I read into Al O's comments below that we'll see a ZL1 & Z/28. What do you think?

“Yes, there’s room above the 1LE,” says Oppenheiser. (Like we didn’t know that.) Oppenheiser says a chassis setup like the V-8 1LE’s would be more in line with something like, say, a ZL1. Something like, say, a Z/28 would be more basic and would build on the raw, Pro Touring-like character of the last 1LE. “And Ford will have a counterpunch for this [1LE],” says Oppenheiser.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by EE7

There is a huge difference between a GT350 and a GT350R. The R beats the Z. The base GT350 with the track pack is about 2 seconds slower than the Z. I think there is a lot of confusion among the Camaro and Ford camps that there are 2 different GT350 (base with options and the R). All of these people think the base GT350 is putting up the times of the R. The R decimates the non-R on a racetrack. There is a huge difference in performance. I think the 1LE will be comparable to the 350 but get slaughtered by the R. Lets keep in mind that the 1LE is a performance package not a car designed specifically from the ground up for a race track like the R.

There is only 2 seconds difference from the 350 to z28.

There is much more than that from the SS to the 350


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[EE7]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

There is only 2 seconds difference from the 350 to z28.

There is much more than that from the SS to the 350


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Proof? Sources?

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by EE7

Proof? Sources?

Look at car and driver lightning lap and do reasonable deductions.

I've already outlined it in a previous post.

Just look for this picture.




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[red_riot]

I'd like to know a source as well because i've yet to see any lap times for the 6th gen SS.



Motortrend will have a Head 2 Head with 2016 SS vs 2016 m4. We'll get a lap time when that arrives.

[EE7]

I'm thinking the 1SS with mag ride non - 1LE will perform right where the current ZL1 is. So take 3 seconds (depends on the track) from that and get the new 1LE time?

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by EE7

I'm thinking the 1SS with mag ride non - 1LE will perform right where the current ZL1 is. So take 3 seconds (depends on the track) from that and get the new 1LE time?

Considering it's already been stated that the 6th gen performs as well as the last gen 1le I'd say you are wrong. And giving 3 seconds to the 6th gen 1le time on the car and driver lightning lap puts it right there with the last gen ZL1.

Which is still pretty far behind the z28. And even if you took 2-4 seconds of time off the z28 the GT350 is still going to be faster than the 1LE.




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[Memphis43]

But again this ain't a bad thing. This car will be considerably less than a gt350 with more features


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[EE7]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

Considering it's already been stated that the 6th gen performs as well as the last gen 1le I'd say you are wrong. And giving 3 seconds to the 6th gen 1le time on the car and driver lightning lap puts it right there with the last gen ZL1.

Which is still pretty far behind the z28. And even if you took 2-4 seconds of time off the z28 the GT350 is still going to be faster than the 1LE.




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All of this is speculative. They said the new SS is faster than the outgoing 1LE. They never said by how much or around what track. The new SS (2SS) according to car and driver did 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and the 1/4 in 12.3. The ZL1 did that in 4.1 and 12.4 respectively. The current 1SS weighs approximately 3680 the ZL1 about 400 if not more pounds than that. They both have mag ride. All of this being the way it is I think the gen 6 SS will perform better than the current ZL1 around a track. Based on this I change my mind and now I'm thinking the 1SS will perform very close to what the ATS V has done around that track. The new 1LE even better. I may be crazy and a bit overoptimistic. We shall see soon enough.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by EE7

All of this is speculative. They said the new SS is faster than the outgoing 1LE. They never said by how much or around what track. The new SS (2SS) according to car and driver did 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and the 1/4 in 12.3. The ZL1 did that in 4.1 and 12.4 respectively. The current 1SS weighs approximately 3680 the ZL1 about 400 if not more pounds than that. They both have mag ride. All of this being the way it is I think the gen 6 SS will perform better than the current ZL1 around a track. Based on this I change my mind and now I'm thinking the 1SS will perform very close to what the ATS V has done around that track. The new 1LE even better. I may be crazy and a bit overoptimistic. We shall see soon enough.

Which is where last post where i outlined it i said to give it a 2 second advantage over the last gen 1le. Which will still put it right there with the zl1


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[detltu]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

Considering it's already been stated that the 6th gen performs as well as the last gen 1le I'd say you are wrong. And giving 3 seconds to the 6th gen 1le time on the car and driver lightning lap puts it right there with the last gen ZL1.

Which is still pretty far behind the z28. And even if you took 2-4 seconds of time off the z28 the GT350 is still going to be faster than the 1LE.




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Those are drastically different tracks though. I agree the SS will not keep up with the ZL1, I do expect the new 1LE will be around the realm of the ZL1 though. It will be interesting to see this years lightning lap. Thanks to Car and Driver we have a nice database of track times on the same track to compare. I wish all of the magazines would pick a track and do this.

We have no idea how far the GT350 TP and GT350R are from the ZL1. We know they are slotted above and below the Z/28. I expect the Z car debuting next month to beat the GT350R and I expect this 1LE to be pretty close to the GT350TP and possibly a little faster.

Unfortunately we have to wait for LL 2017 or a good head to head comparison for the answer.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by EE7

All of this is speculative. They said the new SS is faster than the outgoing 1LE. They never said by how much or around what track. The new SS (2SS) according to car and driver did 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds and the 1/4 in 12.3. The ZL1 did that in 4.1 and 12.4 respectively. The current 1SS weighs approximately 3680 the ZL1 about 400 if not more pounds than that. They both have mag ride. All of this being the way it is I think the gen 6 SS will perform better than the current ZL1 around a track. Based on this I change my mind and now I'm thinking the 1SS will perform very close to what the ATS V has done around that track. The new 1LE even better. I may be crazy and a bit overoptimistic. We shall see soon enough.

Also, keep in mind the ats-v is actually going to be slower than the 1le. The zl1 last gen still outperformed it on this track.

Which is where you are getting confused.

The new 1le will actually be closer to the ctsv


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[EE7]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

Also, keep in mind the ats-v is actually going to be slower than the 1le. The zl1 last gen still outperformed it on this track.

Which is where you are getting confused.

The new 1le will actually be closer to the ctsv


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I was going off of the times in the LL pic you posted. The Ats V was faster around that track than the ZL1 was.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by EE7

I was going off of the times in the LL pic you posted. The Ats V was faster around that track than the ZL1 was.

No that was the cts-v


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