A good article about the Car Control, Slip Angles and Tire Compounds

glamcem · 05-14-2017, 08:06 PM

Here's a good article that I've read few years ago. I just wanted to share for those who might be interested

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...r-Control.aspx

OminouSS · 05-15-2017, 12:05 AM

Good read. thank you.

Norm Peterson · 05-15-2017, 07:48 AM

Thanks from me as well.

Norm

TrackClub · 05-15-2017, 11:27 AM

Ditto here! Excellent article.

glamcem · 05-15-2017, 02:38 PM

Eric SS · 05-15-2017, 05:19 PM

Pretty fun little read. Maybe favorite part was:

Quote:

Oh, and if it’s raining, that’s by far the best days to practice. Don’t stay at home.

This is so true. Track days in the rain are great and they are a killer way to learn car control and what the limits feel like (even if they are artificial limits because of the wet conditions) at a slower safer speed.

TrackClub · 05-15-2017, 06:22 PM

Ah...I think he meant it tongue in cheek, as even in a dry he thought HPDE are not well suited for practicing proper car control (and to some degree I a agree as HPDE is all about safety). Hence he strongly suggests finding ANOTHER venue to be able to exceed the limits without getting kicked out, or wrecking (including others). But I totally agree: find a large parking lot, or a paddock and go nuts in a rain. Or when there aren't 30 cars on the same track as you. Or find some obscure track without marshals and rules

PolynesianPowerhouse · 05-15-2017, 06:30 PM

good post

seeing stuff like this, and all the technical discussion has honestly made this my fave forum

TrackClub · 05-15-2017, 06:39 PM

Yes this is a fab forum and I've learned a lot!
The bottom line of the article is that even a pro like him can't offer a definitive suggestion WHERE to learn proper car control. Other then, that to do it one HAS TO exceed the limits and then dial it back.
And anyone that is still learning, if they exceed the limits in the rain: they WILL spin. It takes a ton of practice and a SAFE venue to do it. HPDE is not it.
I've seen guys try and break wheels, go shiny side down and even collect another car in a wreck. I am NOT saying don't do it, but pick the venue and those that share it with you very carefully. If you're just pu putting without getting out of shape and spinning, then you're not following the advice of the article. That's the whole point of it.

05-14-2017, 08:06 PM	#1
glamcem Drives: '19 RivrsdBlu 1LE ('17 1LE HB sold) Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,686	A good article about the Car Control, Slip Angles and Tire Compounds Here's a good article that I've read few years ago. I just wanted to share for those who might be interested http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...r-Control.aspx __________________ Link to my build thread YouTube Page

05-15-2017, 12:05 AM	#2
OminouSS Drives: Red Hot track candy Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,092	Good read. thank you. __________________ Baby born 11/08/16. Left birthing place 11/25/16. Arrived home 12/6/16: '17 Red Hot ZL1. Stock.

05-15-2017, 07:48 AM	#3
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	Thanks from me as well. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

05-15-2017, 02:38 PM	#5
glamcem Drives: '19 RivrsdBlu 1LE ('17 1LE HB sold) Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,686	__________________ Link to my build thread YouTube Page

05-15-2017, 06:30 PM	#8
PolynesianPowerhouse Big Samoan ina little car Drives: 2016 camaro Join Date: May 2014 Location: Tofiga Island Posts: 1,872	good post seeing stuff like this, and all the technical discussion has honestly made this my fave forum __________________ Don't sit around and watch everyone else live YOUR dreams...DO SUMPT'N When I see posts asking "whats the best intake, exhaust, etc" .... the answer to that is like a grandfather telling his grandkids "if you put salt on a birds tail, it'll let you catch it" #ThinkAboutIt "Winning Tip: Don't take my (or anyone else's) word for it. GO TEST IT!" - Dennis Grant

05-15-2017, 11:27 AM	#4
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	Ditto here! Excellent article.

05-15-2017, 06:22 PM	#7
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	Ah...I think he meant it tongue in cheek, as even in a dry he thought HPDE are not well suited for practicing proper car control (and to some degree I a agree as HPDE is all about safety). Hence he strongly suggests finding ANOTHER venue to be able to exceed the limits without getting kicked out, or wrecking (including others). But I totally agree: find a large parking lot, or a paddock and go nuts in a rain. Or when there aren't 30 cars on the same track as you. Or find some obscure track without marshals and rules

05-15-2017, 06:39 PM	#9
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	Yes this is a fab forum and I've learned a lot! The bottom line of the article is that even a pro like him can't offer a definitive suggestion WHERE to learn proper car control. Other then, that to do it one HAS TO exceed the limits and then dial it back. And anyone that is still learning, if they exceed the limits in the rain: they WILL spin. It takes a ton of practice and a SAFE venue to do it. HPDE is not it. I've seen guys try and break wheels, go shiny side down and even collect another car in a wreck. I am NOT saying don't do it, but pick the venue and those that share it with you very carefully. If you're just pu putting without getting out of shape and spinning, then you're not following the advice of the article. That's the whole point of it.

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